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From: metaphor <>
Subject: [WAR] Re: WARWICK-D Digest V01 #99
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:22:21 +1030
In-Reply-To: <200102121845.f1CIjj225824@lists5.rootsweb.com>


At 10:45 12/02/01 -0800, you wrote:
>WARWICK-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 99
>
>Today's Topics:
> #1 SV: Re: [WAR] Face as long as Live ["Rosemary Knutsen"
> <]
> #2 Re: [WAR] SHIPS-[Robert & Gary] ["r.deloyde"
> <]
> #3 Re: [WAR] Old Brummy sayings : do ["John Ball" <>]
> #4 [WAR] 1851 Census Look Up []
> #5 Re: [WAR] IGI UPDATE NEWS [Gladys Jensen <>]
> #6 Re: [WAR] Dean St, Erdington ["r.deloyde"
> <]
> #7 Re: [WAR] Female Tram Driver ["r.deloyde"
> <]
> #8 [WAR] Brummy sayings... []
> #9 Re: [WAR] Birmingham Street Name ["r.deloyde"
> <]
> #10 [WAR] wooden hill ["Richard Clark"
> <]
> #11 Re: [WAR] Old Brummy sayings : do ["Brian Butler"
> <]
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>______________________________X-Message: #1
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:33:48 +0100
>From: "Rosemary Knutsen" <>
>To:
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>Subject: SV: Re: [WAR] Face as long as Livery Street
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>Hi,
>I just loved seeing "black over Bill's mother's" again - grandad used to say
>it, then Dad and we used to have great discussions as to where it
>riginated - any ideas?
>For the "foreigners" among us the Wrekin is a hill in Shropshire.
>Cheers, Rosemary Knutsen, ex Brummie in Norway
>-----Opprinnelig melding-----
>Fra: <>
>Til: <>
>Dato: 12. februar 2001 15:00
>Emne: : Re: [WAR] Face as long as Livery Street
>
>
> >Our family still uses the expression; and "going all round the Wrekin" for
> >taking a long time to get to the point, or taking the long way round.
> >
> >A vulgar one often used for someone REALLY sulking was "What's the matter
> >with him - he's got his bum in his hand......" Written down like that it
> >looks awful, but it was/is often said.
> >
> >For dark clouds gathering at a distance, you'd say "It's black over Bill's
> >mother's."
> >
> >I'm sure there are plenty more - great expressions, typically Brummy.
> >
> >Judith - in soggy Sussex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >The Warwickshire Surname List can be found at:
> >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html
> >
> >
>
>______________________________X-Message: #2
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:22:14 -0000
>From: "r.deloyde" <>
>To:
>Message-ID: <013b01c09519$de9372a0$69cd28c3@pc>
>Subject: Re: [WAR] SHIPS-[Robert & Gary]
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>Greetings
> > I do not think that even Robert or Gary could tell you the name of a
> ship > that sailed on any particular
>day. It is worse than looking for a needle in > a haystack.<
>
>This is so true,it is more truer? that a thing that is
>unbelievably true on a true day
>
>
>
>I will give a directory (of my choice) to anyone
>who has further information on Hugh D`loyde
>a licensed Victualler. some time in the early 1800,s,
>or any info on the D`Loyde family before 1850,
>subject to conformation
>
>My old web page is on
>
>http://freespace.virgin.net/r.deloyde/index.htm/names.html
>
>
>Robert Deloyde (aged 21 and a few months)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Herbert Christopher Beresford <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [WAR] SHIPS-[Robert & Gary]
>
>
> > Jean,
> >
> > I do not think that even Robert or Gary could tell you the name of a ship
> > that sailed on any particular day. It is worse than looking for a needle in
> > a haystack.
> >
> > Chris Beresford Birmingham UK.
> >
> > Researching Beresford at Morton Bagot 18th & 19th Century
> > Boswell, Lee Warwickshire 19th Century
> > Horton Birmingham 19th & 20th Century
> > Bunn at Knowle, Warwickshire 19th century
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: rolly or jean <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 4:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WAR] SHIPS-[Robert & Gary]
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: rolly or jean <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:11 PM
> > > Subject: [WAR] SHIPS-England- NZ
> > >
> > >
> > > > hi every one, could sks who has info on ships tell me the name of one
> > > leaving Eng - NZ on 30/7/1885 arrived Auckland NZ 22/9/=85 [approx ]
> sorry
> > i
> > > don't know port.
> > > > thank you Jean from down under
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==== WARWICK Mailing List ====
> > > > Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry
> > > > http://www.bmsgh.org/
> > > >
> > > > PLEASE pretty please,Gary or Robert out of the kindness of your hearts
> > can
> > > you help,i'm beginning to think my Albert Henry Cooper paddled his own
> > canoe
> > > to NZ .I know these dates are fairly accurate because he recorded them in
> > a
> > > bth/day book he brought with him[ which i have] any help appreciated
> > > ,thankyou Jean NZ
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > http://www.bmsgh.org/
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> >
>
>______________________________X-Message: #3
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:35:29 -0000
>From: "John Ball" <>
>To:
>Message-ID: <004f01c0951a$4a2faa60$>
>Subject: Re: [WAR] Old Brummy sayings : do you know them ?
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>Kenneth <> wrote:
>Following on the the 'long face' mesages, can List members explain
>these old Birmingham sayings : remembered from my grandparents and
>parents days.
>1) Mind the horse road...... 5) All round the Wrekin..... 9) Time to
>get up the wooden stairs
>===========
>
>Hi Kenneth,
>
>To pick on just three of your quotes:
>
>1) My former next-door neighbour when I lived in Winson Green,
>Birmingham, used to shout to us lads when we were playing football or
>cricket in the street, outside her house, "Hey! Get out of the
>horse-road!!" I think she was more concerned with protecting the glass
>in her front window than in our well-being!
>I always assumed the roadway was called the "horse-road", because it was
>where the horse-drawn bread and milk carts used to pass on their
>delivery rounds. We were still getting our daily "Co-op" milk and bread
>deliveries from horse-drawn carts in the early 1950s. The same neighbour
>would send her daughter out with a bucket and shovel to collect the
>horse muck for her little patch of earth in the back yard, where she
>grew mint.
>
>5) Someone has already explained the meaning of this saying. The Wrekin
>(pronounced "ree-kin") is a 1385-foot hill near Wellington in
>Shropshire. Presumably to go round the Wrekin is to take a circuitous
>rather than a direct route, either literally or metaphorically.
>
>9) I think the correct expression is to get up the "wooden hill",
>meaning the stairs; i.e. to get to bed! My dad used either the term
>"wooden hill" or the term "apples and pears" - Cockney rhyming slang for
>the stairs.
>
>Happy days :o)
>
>Best wishes,
>
>John
>- --------------------------------
>John Ball, former Brummie now living in South Wales
>E-mail:
>Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/index.htm
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>______________________________X-Message: #4
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:41:19 EST
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>Subject: [WAR] 1851 Census Look Up
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>Hi
>
>I'd be very grateful if SKS could look up the following for me on the 1851
>Warwickshire census. I've obtained my ggg grandfather's marriage certificate
>and cannot quite read his wife's Ann's maiden name. It could be FENNELL,
>KENNELL, KEMMELL or THENNELL . The vicar seems to have a style of writing
>I've never quite seen before!
>
>Her father's name appears to be Robert or Richard and he was a bricklayer. In
>1858 (when she married) Ann's address was given as Lockhurst Lane, Foleshill,
>Warwickshire. The marriage took place at St Paul's church, Foleshill.
>Witnesses at the wedding were Thomas and Mary Fennell - or whatever it
>actually is. If anybody can point me in the right direction and tell me if
>any of the above names are listed it would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jo
>
>______________________________X-Message: #5
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:42:19 -0700
>From: Gladys Jensen <>
>To:
>Message-Id: <v04220800b6add0c69a72@[166.93.38.85]>
>Subject: Re: [WAR] IGI UPDATE NEWS
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>>HI LIST
>>Paste from another list.
>>
>>gary hodge
>>
>> >
>> > > - International Genealogical Index Expanded
>> > >
>> > > I received word this week from Salt Lake City that the Family
>> > > History Department is now uploading 125 million more names to the
>> > > International Genealogical Index. The updated version should be
>> > > available by the time you read this at:
>> > >
>> > >
>
>Do you know what countries are included in this update????
>Gladys
>
>In Colorful Colorado
>
>
>______________________________
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>X-Message: #6
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:26:09 -0000
>From: "r.deloyde" <>
>To:
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>Greetings
>
>There was a Dean St in Erdington in 1902
>
>
>
>
>I will give a directory (of my choice) to anyone
>who has further information on Hugh D`loyde
>a licensed Victualler. some time in the early 1800,s,
>or any info on the D`Loyde family before 1850,
>subject to conformation
>
>My old web page is on
>
>http://freespace.virgin.net/r.deloyde/index.htm/names.html
>
>
>Robert Deloyde (aged 21 and a few months)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dennis Hogan <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 11:23 PM
>Subject: [WAR] Dean St, Erdington
>
>
> > Hi List
> > I wonder if someone could help me please?
> > My local FHC has the 1891 Census available for us for the next 3 weeks. I
> > tried to find my gg grandparents at Dean Street, Erdington. I have birth
> > certificates for my grandparents within the next few years showing 2
> > different addresses on this street. According to the index, there is no
> Dean
> > Street in Erdington.
> > What is the reason for this? Should I be looking somewhere else?
> > Thanks
> > Sue Hogan
> > Duri, NSW, Australia
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://www.genfair.com/shop/system/shopassistant.htm
> >
> >
>
>______________________________X-Message: #7
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:30:45 -0000
>From: "r.deloyde" <>
>To:
>Message-ID: <013e01c09519$e18e6320$69cd28c3@pc>
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>Greetings
>
>There was a Harbun in the 1909 directory who owned
>a tobacconist in Selly Oak
>
>
>
>I will give a directory (of my choice) to anyone
>who has further information on Hugh D`loyde
>a licensed Victualler. some time in the early 1800,s,
>or any info on the D`Loyde family before 1850,
>subject to conformation
>
>My old web page is on
>
>http://freespace.virgin.net/r.deloyde/index.htm/names.html
>
>
>Robert Deloyde (aged 21 and a few months)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: gudrun harbon-downes <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12:01 AM
>Subject: [WAR] Female Tram Driver
>
>
> > Hello Listers
> >
> > I'm hoping that someone can point me in the right direction for this. My
> > husband's grandmother Avarella Cashmore CORFIELD (nee HARBUN) is
> reputed to
> > have been the first female tram driver in Birmingham. I don't know if
> this
> > is just a family rumour, and would like to know where I could find
> > information to prove (or not) this story. She was born in 1884, in King's
> > Norton and moved to Wales in the mid 1920s so it would have been before
> > this. Any advice would be really helpful. Another story states that her
> > family owned a fish and chip shop, so if someone could perhaps check in
> > trade directories for me , I would be very grateful.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Gudrun (in Wales)
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> >
>
>______________________________X-Message: #8
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:09:13 EST
>From:
>To:
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>Subject: [WAR] Brummy sayings...
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>Up the wooden hill and down sheet lane = time to go to bed.
>Mind the 'orse road - said by all parents whenever a child went out to play
>in the street (also the title of a lovely little book by Gloria Jenkins,
>published by Brewin Books - www.brewinbooks.com - about her childhood
>memories, living in Wellington Street, Winson Green)
>
>I love living in Sussex, but I do miss the wry humour of the Brummies.. Judith
>
>______________________________X-Message: #9
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:23:22 -0000
>From: "r.deloyde" <>
>To:
>Message-ID: <013c01c09519$df861000$69cd28c3@pc>
>Subject: Re: [WAR] Birmingham Street Name
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>Greetings
>
>On second thoughts it could also be WRENTHAM STREET!!
>
>I should go for that one our kid
>
>
>
>I will give a directory (of my choice) to anyone
>who has further information on Hugh D`loyde
>a licensed Victualler. some time in the early 1800,s,
>or any info on the D`Loyde family before 1850,
>subject to conformation
>
>My old web page is on
>
>http://freespace.virgin.net/r.deloyde/index.htm/names.html
>
>
>Robert Deloyde (aged 21 and a few months)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Smith <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 9:58 PM
>Subject: [WAR] Birmingham Street Name
>
>
> > I have recently acquired a marriage certificate for my 2x great uncle and
> > aunt, John William GILKES and Sarah MARSHALL. They married in the church of
> > St. David, Birmingham, by Banns on November 8th 1885.
> >
> > My problem is that I can't work out the residence at the time of marriage.
> > The address as shown seems to be WRIUTTIAM STREET, which I guess must be in
> > St. David's, Birmingham. It's the third and fourth letters that are causing
> > the main difficulty. On second thoughts it could also be WRENTHAM STREET!!
> >
> > Is there SKS out there who could
> >
> > 1) Suggest the actual name of the Street?
> > 2) Have a look at a street directory about this time and let me know if
> they
> > lived there after they married?
> > 3) Advise the likely 1891 census reference or fiche number for this
> address?
> >
> > When John William died October 8th 1894 his address was shown as 3 Court 8
> > Lower Hurst Street, can SKS guide me to that address?
> >
> > Very many thanks
> >
> >
> > David Smith
> >
> > e-mail address:-
> > Oxfordshire Family History Soc. ref. 2876
> > Berkshire Family History Soc. ref. 3427
> > Guild Of One Name Studies ref. 2929
> > Names researched GILKES and PUMMELL
> >
> >
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> > Birmingham Registry Office:
> > http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/registeroffice
> >
> >
>
>______________________________X-Message: #10
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:33 -0000
>From: "Richard Clark" <>
>To:
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>Subject: [WAR] wooden hill
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>As a child it was always sung - 'up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire-up the
>wooden hill we go' so I always thought it was a popular song at some time.
>
>Of course I could be going all round the wrekin!
>
>Richard
>
>______________________________X-Message: #11
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:37:38 -0500
>From: "Brian Butler" <>
>To:
>Message-ID: <002401c09522$dffcfea0$>
>Subject: Re: [WAR] Old Brummy sayings : do you know them ?
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>Kenneth wrote:
>
> > Following on the the 'long face' mesages, can List members explain these
>old
> > Birmingham sayings : remembered from my grandparents and parents days.
****** Some answers to your query not already given !



> > 1) Mind the horse road
****** Simply : Mind the road ( better you keep off it )


> > 2) Half a tick
>Very soon, no time at all, same as just a mo for wait a moment.
>***** half a min !
> > 3) Lets see about it then
>Think it over, don't be hasty.
>
> > 4) Mouth like a parish oven
>Probably a gossip, mouth always open.
>
>****** Excessivly Talkative !
>
> > 5) All round the Wrekin
>Take the long way around, not come to the point.
>
>******Another application : All over the place !! Often used to
>describe the search for something . Rather like we genealogists do !!


> > 6) Well! I'll go to the foot of our stairs
>???????
>******* Statement indicating Surprise!



> > 7) Keep you hair on
>Don't lose your temper, stay calm.
>
> > 8) Get out the road will you
>?????
>****** Excuse me your in my way ! ( polite rendition )

> > 9) Time to get up the wooden stairs
>Bedtime.
>******Up the wooden stairs and rest your weary head ( an extention to the
>above )


>Brian Butler.

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