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Subject: Re: Attention: Debbie BEAVIS
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:05:45 +0100
References: <20060627.072759.9501.291545@webmail15.lax.untd.com>
In-Reply-To: <20060627.072759.9501.291545@webmail15.lax.untd.com>

Hello Pam

Normally I discourage messages like this being sent to the list, but it does
give me a chance to answer some of the questions you are raising. Thank you
for forwarding the whole message include the internet headers - this is what
I, as listowner, require in order to try to solve the problem.

I am assuming that when you write >> When you first started removing me >>

you do actually realise that it isn't me doing anything at all! I am just
running the list, so any subscribing and unsubscribing is done automatically
by Rootsweb computers and I have no control over it.

The first problem was that, as you state, you were using a different email
address so that solves that.

> so I corrected it and re-subscribed yesterday.
>
> It is now correct [ ] but I have been removed
> again. WHY ???

If you look down the header below (what you forwarded to me) you will see
the reasons - I have snipped out the unimportant sections.

>

> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> Your mail address has been removed
> from the mailinglist.
> It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails.

There is your first main reason. Every time a message appears on the list, a
copy is sent to each subscriber. If an address 'bounces' ie cannot receive
the message for whatever reason, Rootsweb records that internally. Because a
tremendous amount of Rootsweb's bandwidth is used up by sending emails to
'dead' email addresses the offending email address is removed from the list.
Unfortunately that can also happen when an email address 'goes bad'
temporarily - your ISP may have had a transient problem that coincided with
several messages going out on Warbrides, each of which would then have
bounced, and you would automatically have been unsubscribed. As you can see
from the above, your email address was bouncing messages, ie refusing them
so they were bouncing back to Rootsweb.


> Before sending in a subscription request to
> again, please ensure that
> this problem has been resolved. When in doubt, ask your system
> administrator or send mail to "postmaster".

This is Rootsweb's advice, but often ISPs just don't reply to their
customers, sadly, so you are left none the wiser about what went wrong.
Especially when it is just a brief problem, their may really be little point
in taking the time to answer you.

Next, (see below), here is Rootsweb's computer giving you the necessary
information you might wish to forward to Netzero to prove to Netzero that it
was they who had the problem and not Rootsweb... If you read down through
the jabberwocky, line by line, you will see that it shows the exact
'cyber-route' taken by that message from Rootsweb to your email address.
Note that it states 'access denied.' Again, it may be just a transient
problem or it may be that your ISP has decided to block warbrides messages
for some reason - accidentally treating it as spam, or because it containes
a word they have decided not to accept.


>>
>> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>>
>> (reason: 550 Access
> denied...102da55c5cf50c8165c8d988f8c8884861687dfce9899dbc117199810581e
> d5c7535d115eda85c9c28bc053861dd1138a8e9f818d1ddb589f1...)
>>
>> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>>... while talking to mx.nyc.untd.com.:
>>>>> DATA
>><<< 550 Access
> denied...102da55c5cf50c8165c8d988f8c8884861687dfce9899dbc117199810581e
> d5c7535d115eda85c9c28bc053861dd1138a8e9f818d1ddb589f1...
>>554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
>>
>>--k5RDd1l2028799.1151415617/lists8.rootsweb.com
>>Content-Type: message/delivery-status
>>
>>Reporting-MTA: dns; lists8.rootsweb.com
>>Arrival-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:39:01 -0600
>>
>>Final-Recipient: RFC822;
>>Action: failed
>>Status: 5.2.0
>>Remote-MTA: DNS; mx.nyc.untd.com
>>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Access
> denied...102da55c5cf50c8165c8d988f8c8884861687dfce9899dbc117199810581e
> d5c7535d115eda85c9c28bc053861dd1138a8e9f818d1ddb589f1...
>>Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:39:56 -0600

That shows the times and the date they attempted to deliver mail to your
mailbox, and as you can see, it states 'access denied' and 'service
unavailable.'

> any of them, just have a problem with the WARBRIDES list. It must be
> on your end.
>
AOL users periodically have the same problem so if this continues then you
really do need to contact your postmaster to ask if your Warbrides mail is
being blocked.

Debbie Beavis
Warbrides

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