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From: "Melynda Jarratt" <>
Subject: Re: [WarBrides] Appearance before Citizenship Hearings in Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:08:20 -0300
In-Reply-To: <002201c546d7$5275ec20$e30cb5d0@1wy6801>


Joan, this is exactly the kind of situation I'm talking about. There is just
so much confusion. I am a Canadian born citizen. It takes 10 days and $80 (I
think it's $80 it was $80 a couple of years ago when I renewed mine) for me
to get a passport. That's it. No fooling around, no questions, just a
straight application and it's over. But War Brides and their children are
stepping into a quagmire when they make these applications because of the
uncertainty of their status. Landed Immigrant or Citizen? Fill out this
form please, fill out that form please, four months later, still no answer.
"Sorry we can't tell you because of the Privacy Act" is my favourite
response. It's just so unnecessary and typical of the bureaucratic
stagnation in Immigration.


Melynda Jarratt, BA, MA (History)
Diploma in Digital Media and Design
Webmaster: http://www.canadianwarbrides.com and http://www.project-roots.com
Voices of the Left Behind: Project Roots and the Canadian War Children of
World War Two is available in English at
http://www.project-roots.com/books.html and in Dutch at
http://www.uitgeverijpica.nl/index.html?page=achterbleven


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Joan Reichardt" <>
Reply-To:
To:
Subject: Re: [WarBrides] Appearance before Citizenship Hearings in Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:05:05 -0700

What a mess! I did not have a passport until 1975 and it was a rigamorole
to get it - one thing they wanted was our marriage certificate and then my
husband had to prove he was a citizen. He had been naturalized on his
fathers papers in the late 20's (he was born in Holland) and we had quite a
time finding those papers. Given that he had served in the Canadian Army
overseas for four years it was a bit late to worry about his citizenship. I
am in the process of renewing my passport and they may not accept the
document that has sufficed in the past - depending on who I speak with -
apparently the large certificate which I have is 'iffy'. We shall see!
Joan Reichardt.----- Original Message -----
From: "Michelle Rusk" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WarBrides] Appearance before Citizenship Hearings in Canada


> Hi All,
>
> I would be interested in knowing if any of the children of WarBrides who
> were born outside Canada, and who have reached the age of applying for
> pensions had any trouble. My eldest brother was born in England and will
be
> 61 this year. He has never had a passport since the early 1950s. While
my
> mother eventually applied for Canadian Citizenship in the late 1970s for
> security, she could never convince my brother that he should do so too.
> He's the hardluck child of the family, and I would hate him to face the
> shock of being denied benefits when he goes to apply within the next few
> years. If someone has had trouble I would like to know so that I could
get
> him moving on doing whatever is necessary now instead of later.
>
> Thanks,
> Michelle Rusk
>
> PS I found out that if you go to your local post office outlet that they
> will place an order for War Bride envelopes although they cannot issue
them
> to you until May 8. My local post office has ordered them in (they
should
> actually arrive today!) and will be holding them for me until the Sunday
> morning when I will be rushing in prior to catching a plane to London
where
> I shall be able to actually give some of the envelopes to people who were
in
> the wedding photo on the front of the envelope! Wish my Mum and Dad were
> still here to see it - May 8 would have been their 62nd wedding
anniversary.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melynda Jarratt" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [WarBrides] Appearance before Citizenship Hearings in Canada
>
>
> > Hi Olive, yes, you were one of the lucky ones who got this straightened
> out
> > early on. There are other people who have had problems obtaining proof
of
> > citizenship, which is a requirement for passports. It seems people who
> > obtained passports in the early days after their arrival in Canada did
not
> > experience as much of a hassle as they might today, simply because
> > everything is so bureaucratized and there are so many layers of red
tape,
> > all of which are compounded by security fears coming out of 9/11. As
well,
> > this issue seems to be affecting the children of war brides who were
> brought
> > over here with their mothers on the ships more than anyone else. I''d
be
> > interested in talking to anyone whose children are having trouble with
> > citizenship, passport issues.
> >
> > Melynda
> >
> >
> > Melynda Jarratt, BA, MA (History)
> > Diploma in Digital Media and Design
> > Webmaster: http://www.canadianwarbrides.com and
> http://www.project-roots.com
> > Voices of the Left Behind: Project Roots and the Canadian War Children
of
> > World War Two is available in English at
> > http://www.project-roots.com/books.html and in Dutch at
> > http://www.uitgeverijpica.nl/index.html?page=achterbleven
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: Olive <>
> > Reply-To:
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [WarBrides] Appearance before Citizenship Hearings in
Canada
> > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:42:48 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
> >
> > I have never had any problems with passports.
> > I sent away for Citizenship proof in the 1950's.
> > They sent me a certificate to frame and a paper to use for passport
> > services.
> > It's my understanding we were all made Citizens on 1 January,1947.
> > Olive King
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From:
> > Date: April 21, 2005 12:45:44 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: [WarBrides] Appearance before Citizenship Hearings in Canada
> >
> > This just hot off the presses....
> > Melynda
> > _______________
> >
> >
> > April 21, 2005 - 13:07
> >
> > War brides spokeswoman complains to committee about citizenship status
> >
> > FREDERICTON (CP) - Thousands of war brides and their children are
> > discovering they are not Canadian citizens even though some had assumed
> > otherwise while living in Canada for 60 years, a Commons committee was
> told
> > Thursday.
> >
> > Melynda Jarratt, an author and researcher, told the committee that the
> > federal government created a bureaucratic nightmare in 1944 by
declaring
> > them landed immigrants instead of citizens. She said many of these
women
> and
> >
> > their children were unaware of their status until now.
> >
> >
> > Some made the discovery when they applied for passports.
> >
> > "You've paid your taxes, you have a social insurance number, you've
worked
> > here and lived here all your life, but you're not a citizen," she told
the
> > committee.
> >
> > "Who made the decision that they were no longer citizens and suddenly
> became
> >
> > landed immigrants, and how come they've never been told about what
their
> > rights are?"
> >
> > Liberal MP Andrew Telegdi, chairman the Standing Committee on
Citizenship
> > and Immigration, said he understood the frustration of people who
suddenly
> > find themselves without the rights and privileges of full citizenship
> > through no fault of their own.
> >
> > "It's a real horror story," said Telegdi. "It's a horrific feeling
because
> > all of a sudden you become stateless."
> >
> > Telegdi said the committee will recommend the government should declare
> the
> > war brides and their children citizens, and he's hoping the issue can
be
> > resolved by this fall.
> >
> >
> >
> > Melynda Jarratt, BA, MA (History)
> > Diploma in Digital Media and Design
> > Webmaster: http://www.canadianwarbrides.com and
> http://www.project-roots.com
> > Voices of the Left Behind: Project Roots and the Canadian War Children
of
> > World War Two is available in English at
> > http://www.project-roots.com/books.html and in Dutch at
> > http://www.uitgeverijpica.nl/index.html?page=achterbleven
> >
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