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From: "Ellen Stanton" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA] Re; Nondweni, Zululand.
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 21:03:34 -0600
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Hi Leith,

Well, I copied this birth certificate at the FHC, but unless your dad had
the very first successful sex change operation, this one is not him. Here it
is:

LDS Microfilm #1926385
Cape Province Birth Certificates 1895
Item 2: Matatiele

Entry #12
Father: Charles John WARD, Englishman, 40, Chief Constable, born Kent,
England
Mother: Sarah Ann GIBSON, Mixed Race, 40, Pound mistress, born Natal
Child: Ada Charlotte Matilda
Born: 7/12/1895
Date of Marriage: 8/6/1879
Other Children (Him): 3 sons, 1 daughter (living)
(Her): 4 sons, 4 daughters (living)
Residence: Village of Matatiele
Witness: Charles John WARD

I probably have more WARDs on my databases, but if I try to search on it, I
get every Edward, Howard, Woodward, Heyward, etc. However, this was the only
1895 birth certificate. If he was born anywhere besides Cape Province, I
would not have it. If he was born somewhere in Cape Province, I may still
find it as I haven't ordered all of the films yet.

Regards,
Ellen Stanton
Email:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leith Ward" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ZA] Re; Nondweni, Zululand.


> Hi Ariel,
> thanks for pinpointing Brakpan, STILL can't find it on my World Atlas map
> of
> S.A. Will have to go to the library, I guess.
>
> Also , hello again Ellen,
>
> Re your WARD birth noted at Matatiele, this Ward could be significant as
> this town is not too far from the places that my father and mother appear
> in
> "documentary " form , namely , Pietermaritzburg where they were noted as
> living at the time of their marriage in 1920, and Stanger, nearby, where
> the
> marriage took place. Await your reply with interest.
> Incidentally, I have photos of my parents at a house with quite
> mountainous
> background : Matatiele is quite near the Drakensberg , so we may be on
> track
> to locating his birthplace !! And my grandparents , too.
>
> Sincerely,
> Leith.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ariel Rudolph" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Re; Nondweni, Zululand.
>
>
>> Leith,
>> Brakpan is not in Natal but rather close to Springs on the East Rand.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ariel
>> Israel
>>
>> Leith Ward wrote:
>>
>> >Hello Ellen,
>> >
>> >thanks for your response to my request. I can only say that I believe
>> >the
>> >family lived in the Natal district: an address that has cropped up
>> >(with
> no
>> >cross reference) is Modder Rd , Brakpan. I have no idea what the
>> >significance of this address may be; family or friends ?? Couldn't find
> this
>> >on my S.A. map.
>> >Appreciate the help offered, look forward to results of your search.
>> >
>> >Sincerely, Leith.
>
>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Leith Ward" <>
>> >>To: <>
>> >>Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:40 PM
>> >>Subject: [ZA] Re; Nondweni, Zululand.
>
>> >>>I wonder if some knowledgeable lister could provide me with some
> advice..............
>>
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