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From: Andrew Rodger <>
Subject: Re: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:33:09 +1000
In-Reply-To: <004a01c476f5$e8740840$dd4a27c4@sharon>


I believe the Buffalos are of American origin (though in that case it is
not clear how they would have acquired the word "Royal", or, if it was
before the Revolution, why they would have kept it), while the
Oddfellows (of various kinds) hail mainly from the North of England,
e.g. Manchester Unity. The United States has a vast number of such odd
societies, including the Elks. When I was in new Orleans in 1991 my
wife and I sat down in a cheap-and-cheerful cafe -- bare laminex tables,
wonderful gumbo soup, you get the picture -- for a meal, only to fins
the place being invaded by a large group of jovial men in funny hats
and bright-coloured clothes who turned out to be in town for a
convention of one of these bodies. They were entirely harmless and made
the meal all the more enjoyable!

On Saturday, July 31, 2004, at 07:00 PM, Sharon Warr wrote:

> Hello All
> There seem to be a number of 'alternative' masonic-like societies or
> orders - I say masonic-like because of the similarities in the way they
> are
> structured eg. men only, being inducted by traditional ceremony,
> traditional
> dress o uniforms etc. etc. One of my ancestors was a member of The
> Royal
> Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes (I kid you not!) and I thought it to be
> some
> local club or community society until I was told it was much more than
> than
> that. There are websites dealing with it but I don't have any to hand.
> Odd
> Fellows are another order which springs to mind.
> Regards
> Sharon Warr
>
> View 1800s SOUTH AFRICAN PASSENGER LISTS at
> http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/DataArchive.htm
> SCRIBES PUBLISHING for Colonial Books on CD - visit
> http://www.sagenealogy.co.za/Scribes.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patricia Frykberg" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>
>
>> Well I have since discovered that there are branches of this order all
> over
>> the place and the order has many followers here in NZ. With
>> investitures
>> last year. All with elaborate 'uniforms' for want of a better word.
>> So I
>> guess Royston got that from the Natal Branch.
>> I have emailed the NZ chief and asked him for more info.
>> Pat
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew Rodger" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>>
>>
>>> Whether Russian or Polish, one thing still puzzles me: why "of Natal"?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 29, 2004, at 04:03 AM, Patricia Frykberg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Keith yes it was originally Polish medieval. William Jervois
>>>> suggested the link with Russia and it appears it may also have been
>>>> Russian
>>>> then (1906-10)
>>>> I'll take a look.
>>>> Pat
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Keith Meintjes" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 05:41 AM
>>>> Subject: [ZA] Re: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect this is Polish rather than Russian. Take a look at
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.angelfire.com/realm/StStanislas/
>>>>>
>>>>> which is probably not the correct organization, but you may find
>>>>> something
>>>> in
>>>>> their history.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rosemary Dixon-Smith" <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat this query of yours has started a little vortex of interest
>>>>> here in SA - checked with SA Military History Museum who in turn
>>>>> spoke to some dealers - no-one seems to know why a Russian order
>>>>> should have been awarded in Natal. Does the Devitt book say
>>>>> anything about the circumstances under which Galloping Jack
>>>>> ROYSTON was decorated in this way?
>>>>>
>>>>> I will do more digging if required.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Natal Mounted Rifles History gives a long paragraph on
>>>>> ROYSTON and mentions the Stanislaus order but no details as to
>>>>> the award or why he received it. Do you want a transcript of the
>>>>> information about ROYSTON anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Patricia Frykberg" <>
>>>>> To: <>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: Order of St Stanislaus of Natal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone tell me anything about this order which was awarded
>>>>> to Brig.Gen. J.R.Royston, CMG, DSO,VD.
>>>>>> It is included in the title of a book "Galloping Jack - Being
>>>>> the Reminiscences of......" by Napier Devitt, F.R.S.A (1937) I
>>>>> got extracts of this book from the Howick Library/Museum
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________
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