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Subject: Re: [[ZA] A Delicate Matter?]
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:46:15 +0200
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Sorry , Derek,,
but I cant sit back and listen to bantering about mixed races. If one's
ancesters chose to "mix races" , it has now become a fact of life, and an
accepted thing.Especially in the eyes of the Creator.
Anything other than that is tantamount to racism, which is not accepted.
Besides one cannot shun one's ancesters, facts are facts. Yes, sure one can
refuse to hear about them if they were, to put it lightly, "indiscreet", but
a marriage is a marriage, mixed or otherwise. Thats life!!

Ted Daniel ,,,,,,,,,,,Zimbabwe.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: [[ZA] A Delicate Matter?]


> Hi Derek,
> We recently came into possession of a family photo, where the children
> definitely of mixed blood, although the parents both looked "white"....
> seems to me, very few SAfricans can claim to be "too pure".... Its such a
> pity SA introduced the Apartheid system, its caused so many unnecessary
> divides.
> Regards
> Deborah.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dpratt [mailto:]
> Sent: 05 October, 2003 3:39 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [[ZA] A Delicate Matter?]
>
>
> Hi Keith
> I'm sure your ancestors behaviour is not unique. What interests me is -
> what if I have a MEINTJES (or any other Name really I suppose) in my
parish?
> Do I pretend they are all from a completely isolated and separate wing of
> the family or do I make the connection. That is badly put. What I mean
is
> when people on this list ask about TROLLIPs (a name I 've seen alot
> recently) do I given them dear old Mrs TROLLIP's address or is this going
to
> hurt both Mrs TROLLIP and the inquirer who doesn't want to know about her
> great grandfather's indiscretions?
>
> One family in my parish is Ruth Hendricks. Her maiden name was OHLSON and
> her grandfather OHLSON was a German farmer. On her mother's side she has
a
> picture of a Mr JONES who was the coachman to the Earl of Stamford who
lived
> in Wynberg. Mr Jones married one of the miads of the STAMFORDS. Ruth
has
> a picture of Mr JONES and he is most certainly a white amn and this is no
> problem to Ruth (or me). On the other hand when I suggested to someone
> whose relatives use to live in 2nd Avenue Retreat (today a "coloured"
area)
> that they might be of "mixed blood" this lady became very irate! That is
> what I'm trying to avoid. In fact I'm trying to avoid all this racial
talk
> but trying to realistic as well!
>
> Derek
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Meintjes" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [[ZA] A Delicate Matter?]
>
>
> > Derek,
> >
> > Some years ago there was a discussion on the list of the suppression of
> > genealogy information when it was, in the words of one lister, "on the
> wrong
> > side of the blanket".
> >
> > My own contribution can be found at
> >
> >
>
http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/S/SOUTH-AFRICA
> +1999+48818721605+F
> >
> > I believe there is no genealogical record of this branch of my family.
I
> also
> > believe now that the author of the Meintjes family history knew of and
did
> not
> > include this information in the family register.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Keith
> >
> > =============================
> >
> > "dpratt" <> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Ever since I've been on the ZA and the ZA-IB lists I've seen family
names
> > that people are looking for and recognised these names as names of
> families
> > in my parish. Now as most of you know I'm in a township parish where
most
> > (if not all) of my parishioner are what used to be called "Coloureds".
> But
> > in order not to cause any embarrassement I've ignore these coincidences
> and
> > haven't ask my parishioners if they are related to any 1820 Settlers!
> >
> > Many of my parish, on hearing about my genealogy hobby have expressed an
> > interest in finding about their family trees. Some have shared what
they
> > know about parents and grandparents and from what they have told me I
> think
> > perhaps we need to "look across the railway line" occassionally when we
> are
> > doing our family histories because I'm pretty sure that our ancestors
did!
> >
> > Are there many on this list who come from a similar background who can
> share
> > with me (and the list) any unique problems you faced in doing your
family
> > history? And here I am talking about 19th and 20th Century family
> history -
> > I know of the slave registers etc but I'm thinking more post slavery.
> >
> > Some of the names that I have seen on the list and in my parish are:
> > TROLLIP, BECK, O'MALLEY, CLAYTON, BAILEY, BUCHANAN, ATKINS, LEANER,
KING,
> > OHLSON, PELSTON
> > and of course
> > SMITH, BROWN, JONES
> > ...
> > and I haven't even mentioned the numerous Afrikaans names
> > WYNGAARD, VAN DER HEEVER, FRIESLAAR, DE JONGH, etc etc
> >
> > Regards
> > Derek Pratt
> >
> >
> >
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