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From: "sharon marshall" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA] Info required on Albania settlers
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:32:57 +0200
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Hi Deborah,
This is something I too have wondered - I have a whole set of MARSHALLs who
also moved from the Eastern Cape to the Free State, and many of them are
buried in Lindley, where James Henry is buried. Arnoldus Bernardus Dietz
MARSHALL was born 1832, his brother Benjamin D'Urban 1835. It would appear
they married in the EC and moved there afterwards. BD's last child was born
1879 in Albany, so it must have been after this.
I also have James A'BEAR who married Margaret Florence MARSHALL in 1885 in
Cathcart/Seymour where he was unable to make ends meet out of farming. They
moved to Harrismith in the Free State, where he rented land. According to
A'Bear researchers, the Wilge River reminded him of the Isis in Oxford where
he was born, and, as per his wishes, he was buried here.
I know the first diamond was found in 1866 in Hopetown, Northern Cape, and
many settlers moved up north then and were still moving to areas such as
Jagersfontein in the Free State in 1871 and later. Whether this was part of
the reason or whether it had to do with politics, ie Boer sympathy or
otherwise I don't know, but I suspect a combination of both - many farmers
in the EC could not make it on teh scant knowledge they had combined with
the tough conditions.
Bartle Frere was appointed as governor of the Cape in 1877 with the aim of
fostering union between Afrikaners and English, which backfired with his
attack on the Zulus, but nevertheless symbolised a change in outlook. The
Anglo-Boer war was at the turn of the century and many 'intermarried'
families were caught between loyalties.
Calling David Morris/Andrew Rodgers???
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ZA] Info required on Albania settlers


> Hi Helen,
> Thanks for asking, I'm researching HOBBS and BROWN... I know that James
> Henry HOBBS moved to Vryburg and must have moved with his family, as I am
> aware of at least 4 or 5 of the siblings on the HOBBS side living in
> Vryburg. But I have no idea what compelled them to leave the Eastern Cape
> and move to such a desolate place. I also know that Philip HOBBS, Jame's
> brother, moved to the Lindley area. I have studied maps trying to figure
> out why they moved north, and I'm sure it was a question of owning their
own
> land, but I wanted to know why they left, did they leave in a group, as a
> family, individually and by word of mouth? Full of questions, and no real
> answers.... I also wonder if James and PHilip left together, and then took
> diversified paths. I've copied this email to Herman, as his family line
is
> Philip, and my husband's is James Henry...
> Kind regards
> Deborah.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helen Roberts [mailto:]
> Sent: 04 July, 2003 2:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Info required on Albania settlers
>
>
> Hi Deborah
>
> What names are you researching?
> Regards
> Helen
>
> >>> 07/04/03 12:54PM >>>
> Hi Listers,
> Does anybody out there have references for me regarding this group of
> settlers? Is there anything documented on whether they travelled as
> groups,
> etc? This would be quite useful in researching my husband's line.
> Thanks
> Deborah.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patricia Frykberg [mailto:]
> Sent: 04 July, 2003 10:49 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Re: Albania settlers
>
>
> Hi Sarah. Did that info from Botha's book ever reach you?
> Pat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah <>
> To: <>
> Date: Friday, 4 July 2003 08:34 PM
> Subject: [ZA] Re: Albania settlers
>
>
> >Dear David
> >Is there any record of those who moved up to Hopetown and surrounds.
> >Did this include the settlements like Hanover? How large was the
> area?
> >Where would I find out more about this please.
> >Sarah
> >Christchurch, NZ
> >
> >No, not Albania (Central Europe)- they were English families from the
> >Albany District (Grahamstown) in the Eastern Cape, who moved up to
> the
> >Northern Cape near Hopetown, and were dubbed the Albania Settlers.
> They
> >were mostly descendants of the 1820 Settlers.
> >Regards
> >David
> >
> >
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