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From: Andrew Rodger <>
Subject: Fwd: [ZA] Dunbar
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:57:32 +1000


And here's another one -- particularly unfortunate that it should have
gone direct to William who, I'm sure, knows all this already!

> From: Andrew Rodger <>
> Date: Mon Apr 07, 2003 08:16:53 AM Australia/Melbourne
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Dunbar
>
> And for general information, it is NEVER correct to append "Sir" to a
> surname. It should only be used with the given name, as William has
> done in his reply, quoting from Debrett's/Burke's. Likewise with
> "Rev." -- if you don't have the Minister's given name, then say "Mr"
> (or "Dr" if applicable) with the Surname.
>
> "Lord" is different: it can be attached to either a first name or a
> surname, but has different meanings for each. "Lord Surname" means
> that the title is also the surname. "Lord First name" is the younger
> son of a Duke or such like, and is a courtesy title, not hereditary,
> e.g. Lord Louis Mountbatten, Lord Randolph Churchill (Winston's father,
> who was the third son of the Duke of Marlborough and was a member of
> the House of Commons, not being a peer in his own right).
>
> "Lady" is different again. "Lady First Name" is a courtesy title given
> to the daughter of a nobleman, whereas "Lady Surname" is the wife of
> Sir First-name Surname OR of Lord Surname.
>
> Rather complicated, and I am not sure I am absolutely correct and
> fairly sure I have not covered it exhaustively, but if you are
> following through noble ancestry it is something you have to master.
> As far as I know, I don't have that problem, having mainly Scottish
> ancestry from a background of rather more egalitarian character than
> the English.
>
> On Friday, April 4, 2003, at 04:45 PM, William Jervois wrote (snips):
>
>> Hello Marion
>>
>> If you have a good library near you, it might have a copy of either
>> Burke's (or Debrett's) peerage & baronetage. If you can find the
>> article
>> on "Dunbar of Durn, baronet" then you will see:
>>
>> Sir Miles Drummond Dunbar, 7th baronet; born 21 Nov 1845, married
>> 24 July 1873, Mary Louisa (who died 29 Nov 1922) 4th daughter of
>> John Hancorn Smith, of Melville Park, Lower Albany, South Africa
>> and had issue:"
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Apr 2003 at 16:32, Marion Moore wrote (snip):
>>
>>> Hi William
>>> First of all I must thank you very much for helping me with research
>>> of my
>>> Goldswain & other ancestors last month and for taking us to the
>>> cemetery.
>>> When we saw you, you mentioned that Sir Dunbar's son lived in
>>> Queenstown and
>>> was town clerk, or something like that.
>>>
>
> Andrew Rodger
>
>

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