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From: "Dennis Pretorius" <>
Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw: ST. LEGER/SCOTTY SMITH/TAUNG
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:05:34 +0200
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Hallo Isebelle

Ek het die volgende gekry van Scotty Smith en het gewonder of Kobus daarvan
bewus is? (hy soek mos na LENNOX) - maar kon nie sy nuwe e-pos kry nie. Weet
jy dalk wat sy e-pos adres is?

Groetnis


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy O'Reilly" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:42 PM
Subject: [ZA] Fw: ST. LEGER/SCOTTY SMITH/TAUNG


>
> Dear Margaret and Ellen,
>
> Scotty Smith - George St. Leger Gordon LENNOX - died (and was buried
> ?around 1919?) in
> Upington - not Kimberley - and yes, he did marry (fairly late in life) a
> long-suffering VAN NIEKERK girl who bore him several children. There is a
> death notice for him at the Cape Archives which I vaguely remember
looking
> up
> at some stage. I think the name 'Scotty' came from his being
> a Scot and 'Smith' from his skill at 'blacksmithing' horseshoes. He had a
> great passion for horses.
>
> I think the book you are referring to is 'Scotty Smith' written by F.W.
> Metrovich (sp.??). I wonder if one of the
> Port Elizabeth listers know whether the author is still alive as I seem
to
> remember that he lived in Port Elizabeth
> at the time he published the aforementioned book.
>
> I grew up in a small Northern Cape village named 'Taung' during the 50's
> nd
> heard many a Scotty SMITH tale from my O'REILLY granddad. Between
> adventures, Scotty spent much time in Taung and much of his "treasure"
was
> buried there and uncovered by my family members from
> time to time. I remember the excitement my cousins and I felt at making
> one
> such find (an old saddle, guns and old coins) under an old pepper tree on
> my
> Great Grandpa Fielding's property in Taung. I still have some of these
> (mostly
> 1826) British coins in my possession. He also had the habit of stashing
> diamonds in chimneys and
> puttying diamonds into the windowframes of dwellings he occupied.
Needless
> to say, we kids dug out
> the putty from many a windowframe and peered down many a chimney in
search
> of Scotty's diamonds.
> At one stage my granddad owned a house at 'Abrams Corner' in Taung
Village
> that had a small outside
> room, that, according to my granddad, had been "Scotty's Room" when
Scotty
> had called on Louis ABRAMS'
> trading store for supplies. Louis ABRAMS was the second husband of my gr.
> gr. granny, Mary -Ann POUND's widowed sister, Charlotte (born POUND)
> BELLEW.
>
> Despite being somewhat of a Robin Hood, Scotty cut a dashing figure and
> was
> well-bred, well-spoken and intelligent.
> He spent many an hour in the pub at the original Taung Hotel (which later
> became one of my granddad's shops)
> and was both liked and feared by the small Taung 'colonial' community.
> Apparently my gr. granddad, John Robert O'REILLY
> (of the first diamond fame) once took Scotty in when he was injured and
> not
> only doctored him but tried his best to 'reform' him. Much to his horror
> he
> found himself under suspicion of also being a highwayman, as he had
> 'harboured' a fugitive from justice! He lived to regret his kind gesture
> as
> not only did it tarnish his reputation, but Scotty's cronies also
> 'spirited
> away' one of John's prize stallions - making it 'reappear' once Scotty
> realised to his shame that he had inadvertently 'bitten the hand that had
> fed him'.
>
> All in all, Scotty-the-rogue-Smith was a fascinating character. I hope
that
> someday, someone manages to follow up on his genealogy and make the
> connection to my St. Leger&Lennox families. In a perverse sort of way I
> wouldn't mind being related to this legendary, red-headed rascal - it
sure
> would add some spice to my family tree!
>
> Greetings,
> Kathy
>
>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Re: STRETCH, ST. LEGER
> >
> >
> > > Hi Ellen
> > > Not much is know of the origin of George St Leger Lennox, I read a
> book
> > > about him about a year ago, he was a very well know "Highway man" and
> > went
> > > by the name of " Scotty Smith" I have been intrested in him for some
> > time.
> > > He died in Kimberly. The aurther of the book on Scotty Smith did try
> to
> > > colobrate with George's stories of his origin but did not find
anything
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Margaret
> > > .
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ellen Stanton <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:09 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Re: STRETCH, ST. LEGER
> > >
> > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if this is connected as there is no STRETCH after his
> name,
> > > but
> > > > I found this today.
> > > >
> > > > Microfilm #1295252
> > > > Matrimonial Court Minutes
> > > > Upington/Gordonia Marriage Affidavits
> > > > Item 4: 1903-1910
> > > >
> > > > Husband: George St. Leger LENNOX, Bachelor, Farmer, residing
Lentlands
> > > farm,
> > > > district of Gordonia
> > > > Wife: Susara Magdelina VAN NIEKERK, Spinster, daughter of Gerhardus
> > Carel
> > > > David Wentzel VAN NIEKERK
> > > > Date: 5/27/190(5?)
> > > >
> > > > This was not a marriage certificate, but it was a certificate
stating
> > that
> > > > there was no impediment to their being married and allowed them 3
> months
> > > in
> > > > which to do so. Most likely they had to obtain the certificate
because
> > the
> > > > bride was underage.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Ellen Stanton
> > > > Email:
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kathy O'Reilly" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 3:26 PM
> > > > Subject: [ZA-IB] Re: STRETCH, ST. LEGER
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Anne,
> > > > >
> > > > > What a mouthful - poor fellow, imagine being saddled with a name
> like
> > > > that!
> > > > > Unfortunately STRETCH and ST. LEGER are my secondary lines of
> > interest.
> > > > > Apart from my own direct connection to these two families, I have,
> as
> > > yet,
> > > > > not tracked their other descendants in South Africa. I did,
however,
> > > find
> > > > a
> > > > > fascinating STRETCH family tree at Cory Library, Grahamstown in
1996
> > > which
> > > > > tracks the STRETCH family right back to Nicholas STRITCH (as the
> name
> > > was
> > > > > written then) who was mayor of Limerick, Ireland in 1452! The St.
> > Leger
> > > > > family also came from Limerick, Ireland. A well-known St. Leger
> > > descendant
> > > > > was clergyman and founder of The Cape Times and Diamond Fields
> > > Advertiser,
> > > > > Frederick York ST. LEGER who was born in Limerick on 26 March 1833
> and
> > > > died
> > > > > at Newlands, Cape on 25 March 1901. In March 1856 he married
> > Christiana
> > > > Emma
> > > > > Mudelle of Maidstone, Kent and came out to the Cape. The couple
had
> 8
> > > > > children. In 1859 he became headmaster of St. Andrews, Grahamstown
> and
> > > > > returned to Cape Town in 1875 where he was elected to the
> Legislative
> > > > > Assembly. He is featured in the book: "Prominent Men of the Cape
> > > Colony".
> > > > I
> > > > > am still trying to make the St. Leger family connection. Their is
> > one -
> > > I
> > > > > must just find it!
> > > > >
> > > > > I am descended from Susan STRETCH, daughter of JAMES ST. LEGER
> > STRETCH,
> > > > 87th
> > > > > Regiment - a government land surveyor - and his wife, Catherine
> > > Devenish,
> > > > > daughter of John Devenish of Mears Court, Westmeath, Ireland. The
> > couple
> > > > are
> > > > > buried at Millbank, near Fort Beaufort in the Eastern Cape. My
Susan
> > > > STRETCH
> > > > > was the sister of well-known 38th Regiment soldier, native
> > commissioner
> > > > and
> > > > > diplomatic agent, Captain CHARLES
> > > > > LENNOX STRETCH, born Bristol, England in 1797, arrived in the Cape
> in
> > > > > November 1818 and died in Somerset East on 13 October 1882.
Charles
> > > Lennox
> > > > > STRETCH married Ann HART, daughter of Robert HART of Bosberg
> (Somerset
> > > > East)
> > > > > and was a brother-in-law of the Rev. R. Birt (L.M.S. Missionary)
of
> > > > Peelton.
> > > > > I don't think Charles had any children. Apart from my Susan and
her
> > > > brother,
> > > > > Charles Lennox, James and Catherine ST. LEGER STRETCH also had a
son
> > > > > (Richard?) Aldworth STRETCH of the 60th Rifles (who married Maria,
> > > > daughter
> > > > > of Philip Botha in 1826) and two other daughters, Ellen - wife of
> John
> > > > > Devenish (a cousin?) of Cape Rifles and Catherine STRETCH - wife
of
> > > George
> > > > > BENNETT of Lichfield. Your bunch is likely to be descended from
one
> of
> > > > these
> > > > > children.
> > > > >
> > > > > My Susan STRETCH was born around 1796 in Ireland and died in 1879
> at
> > > > > Millbank, Fort Beaufort. She first married EDWARD PARR (in
London?)
> > > around
> > > > > 1811/2 and having been widowed young,
> > > > > she came out to South Africa and married JOHN PRINGLE of
Glenthorn.
> > Her
> > > > > eldest
> > > > > daughter, Susan PARR (born 1813, London?) married JAMES ATTWELL
of
> > > > > Battlesden, Alice near King
> > > > > Williamstown. Their daughter, SARAH-ANN(E) ATTWELL married my gr.
> gr.
> > > > > grandfather, ROBERT MEENT BYNG FIELDING, whose son, WINFRED
> DUMBLETON
> > > > > FIELDING married MARY-ANNE POUND SANSOM and had my father's
mother,
> > > > VICTORIA
> > > > > EDITH ELIZABETH FIELDING - who married my grandfather RONALD
ALLEN
> > > > > FRASER O'REILLY.
> > > > >
> > > > > So there you have it - can't quite make the connection to your
> bunch -
> > > > > although there MUST BE some connection - possibly through one of
my
> > > Susa.n
> > > > > STRETCH'S siblings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please let me know if you find anything!
> > > > > Happy hunting,
> > > > > Kathy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Lehmkuhl <>
> > > > > To: <>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:15 PM
> > > > > Subject: STRETCH, ST. LEGER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Kathy O'Reilly" <>
> > > > > > >To:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I would be most grateful if you could you kindly do a look-up
on
> > the
> > > > > > >FIELDING, O'REILLY, MC CABE, PARR, ATTWELL, STRETCH, ST. LEGER
> and
> > > > > > >DEVENISH names for me
> > > > > > >Kathy O'Reilly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Kathy
> > > > > > I see that you have STRETCH and ST. LEGER
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a Bolton Stretch Honeyborne LEHMKUHL who's full name was
> > Bolton
> > > > > > Baquel Pomela St. Ledger Stretch Honeyborne LEHMKUHL but
> eventually
> > > only
> > > > > > used Bolton Stretch Honeyborne (aka Bon). He was born 1870,
> probably
> > > in
> > > > > > Willowmore, Cape, and died in 1944 in Kroonstad area. Married to
a
> > > > > PRINSLOO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any connection with your names or a MOORE family?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > __________/\/*******\/\______
> > > > > > Anne Lehmkuhl
> > > > > > Ottawa, Canada
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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