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From: adamandlopa yamey <>
Subject: [ZA] Re: SOUTH-AFRICA-D Digest V02 #642: re:Valentine family
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:53:20 +0000 (GMT)
In-Reply-To: <200212151806.gBFI6nsj005493@lists5.rootsweb.com>


Dear Becky,
thanks for your interesting and new, to me,
information about the Rockwater plantation.
A translation of the relaevant bits would be very
helpful to me, thanks.
SEASONS GREETINGS!
Adam Yamey<>



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>
> SOUTH-AFRICA-D DigestVolume 02 : Issue 642
>
> Today's Topics:
> #1 Re: [ZA] Fw: ["Ralph
> Anderson" <.]
> #2 Re: [ZA] Valentine family ["Dennis
> Pretorius" <]
> #3 Re: [ZA] Wits University ["dpratt"
> <>]
> #4 Re: [ZA] Fw: ["Becky
> Horne" <]
> #5 Re: [ZA] Valentine family ["Becky
> Horne" <]
> #6 Re: [ZA] Fw: [... and DU PLESSIS] [Keith
> Meintjes <>]
> #7 [ZA] Christmas Thanks & Greetings [Don
> Montague <]
> #8 Re: [ZA] Fw: [... and DU PLESSIS] ["Ralph
> Anderson" <.]
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> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:54:40 +0200
> From: "Ralph Anderson" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw:
>
> Hi Viv, I too have an interest in the DU PLESSIS
> family. I have only very limited information
> however, that one of my ancestors, JEAN DU PLESSIS
> arrived in Table Bay in 1688 and married a MARIA
> BRUSET (BRUNET?)Then presumambly a daughter married
> a JOHANNES VAN ELLENCE from Amsterdam. Then followed
> in succession HENDRICK RUDOLF VAN ELLENCE m.
> CATHERINE ESTERHUISEN. ELIZABETH MARIA VAN ELLENCE
> m. BATHOLOMEUS SCHONKEN. Then JOHANNA MARIA SCHONKEN
> m. WILLIAM ANDERSON in 1806, and he and a colleague
> were the first to establish a mission station at
> Klaarwater, later Griquatown, north of the Orange
> River, I think, under the auspices of the London
> Missionary Society. (See "They were South Africans"
> by John Bond) I hope this is of interest.
>
> Ralph Anderson.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: V NIEDERBERGER
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:36 PM
> Subject: Fw: [ZA] Fw:
>
>
> Dear Mike
>
> Thanks for the reply. I have Sampson King Muir
> and his wife Josphine Lina
> Muller on my database. The most amazing thing is
> that records for the
> eastern Cape and Transkei are sketchy, yet the
> same family names keep
> cropping up there. Van Heerden, Muller,
> Griffiths, Muir, Anderson,
> Alexander, du Plessis, Potgieter, Mundell to name
> a few, and even a number
> of voortrekker names spring up there - Maritz
> comes to mind. Many British
> families, like Muir, originate in the Eastern Cape
> regions from the 1820
> Settlers who were given grants of land by the Cape
> British Authorities, as
> well as German communities.
> Where does Wattrus fit in, Mike? How are you
> connected? Are there any du
> Plessis' in your family? I was given information
> about an Andries Jacobus
> du Plessis [my great great grandfather's names-for
> whom I am searching] who
> married a Mundell girl. I was not given the
> source, nor any dates and have
> not been able to check it out, but the point of
> interest here is that
> Sampson King Muir's parents were John Winter Muir
> *11.9.1847 in Grahamstown
> and [2nd marriage] Anne Mundell *25.4.1854,
> ~14.5.1854 at St John's. Fort
> Beaufort, Eastern Cape, the daughter of James John
> Henry Mundell and Ann
> McCallaghan.
>
> I would love to know more about your family. I
> love The List, it is great
> to be able communicate info this way!
>
> Regards
>
> Viv
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Wattrus #8" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: 12 December 2002 12:36
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw:
>
>
> > Hi Viv
> > I have a connection to MUIR through Sampson King
> MUIR who married
> Josephine
> > Lina Kathrina MULLER.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: V NIEDERBERGER <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:45 AM
> > Subject: [ZA] Fw:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings Fellow Genealogists
> > >
> > > New to 'The List', but not to genealogy, I
> wish to tell you that my Mom,
> > Gloria Joey Frances du Plessis, nee Jacobs was
> an avid genealogist for
> about
> > 45 years before she passed away on 9th August
> this year. Mom was healthy
> > and strong and passed on without prior illness,
> nor warning to her family,
> > who love her dearly, from brain stem stroke
> within 4 days. Her input into
> > the LDS libraries and other brons will be really
> missed, I know. My
> sincere
> > sympathies to April Blakely and her family, I
> know how you are feeling
> right
> > now as we are all still reeling in shock. But
> great news about the new
> > little one - congratulations!
> > > Mom and I have spent the last 30 odd years
> seeking my great grandfather
> on
> > my fathers' side of the family - du Plessis. We
> suspect that his names
> were
> > Andries Jacobus du Plessis, born possibly from
> 1850 to 1860-ish, wife
> > unknown. One of his son's we suspect was Philip
> or Philippus who married
> > into the Muir family, in the Eastern Cape or
> Transkei. Philip's brother,
> my
> > grandfather, was Willem Frederick du Plessis
> *1886 and + 1850, buried in
> > Umtata,married to Hilda Augusta Arnold, my
> grandmother. They lived in the
> > Lady Frere area, close to Queenstown, where my
> Dad was born in 1922, named
> > Andries Jacobus du Plessis. His was one of the
> few du Plessis families
> who
> > had English as their home language, although his
> father was typically
> > boertjie. I passed through Queenstown and Lady
> Frere a month ago only to
> > find that most of the graves in Lady Frere have
> been destroyed. If anybody
> > out there has any info at all, however small and
> seemingly irrelevant to
> > share I would be most gra!
> > > teful.
> > > The other SA families that I am researching
> are;
> > > Black, Bain, Muir, Alexander, Johnston, Smith,
> Arnold, Berger, Lorenz or
> > tz, Wait, Jacobs, Rautenbach, Viljoen, Trafford,
> Stanton, Pringle, Dodds,
> > Corbett, Rodgers, Glenister, Waters, Gray,
> Kymdell.
> > > Well, actually, the list goes on and on as I
> do not stop my family
> > research at du Plessis and Jacobs [my parents]
> and I have a rather large
> > database on PAF 5, of most of the families
> connected in any way to mine,
> SA,
> > Dutch, German, British etc. I also have the
> complete collection of South
> > African Genealogies by Dr Heese up to the latest
> [Pi-Q], as well as a
> number
> > of other books, so I am able to offer assistance
> to anyone on 'The List',
> > although, sadly, listed info is not always
> accurate.
> > > I realise this is a long letter, but one last
> request to any of the du
> > Plessis families out there. I am currently
> involved with a Professor at
> > Stellenbosch University in the research of all
> du Plessis families for a
> du
> > Plessis book which we hope to publish in the
> near future. This book will
> > hopefully be as near to absolutely correct and
> accurate, and up to date,
> as
> > possible. We need your data, du Plessis', as
> far back as can be
> remembered!
> > Please do not hesitate to contact me should you
> require further details.
> > >
> > > Best regards to you all,
> > > Viv Kymdell
> > > [PS In case you're confused by V Niederberger,
> that is my 1st marriage
> > surname - my alias!]
> > >
> > >
>
=== message truncated ===

> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:00:05 +0200
> From: "Dennis Pretorius" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Valentine family
>
> Hallo Adam
>
> Have you tried the National Archive website for a
> search of the Valentine
> surname?
>
> Give it a try at www.national.archives.gov.za
>
> Regards
>
> Dennis Pretorius
> Family History Researcher
> S A Genealogy Online
> Tel +27-11-769-2400
> Mobile +27-83-324-2238
> E-Mail:
> Website www.krugersdorp.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "adamandlopa yamey" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:49 AM
> Subject: [ZA] Valentine family
>
>
> > I am researching my great uncle's firm in Barkly
> East,
> > South Africa. Sigmund SELIGMANN founded Seligmann
> &
> > Co., Barkly East, in 1884.
> >
> > Two years prior to this he started a firm in
> > Dordrecht, South Africa with a Moss VALENTINE.
> Moss
> > married someone from England.
> >
> > In 1885 S.Seligmann & Co. commenced trading. One
> of
> > Sigmund's employees was a Jack VALENTINE. By 1889
> the
> > business was doing well. Another new business
> > J.Valentine & Co. was formed. J.Valentine & Co.
> had
> > branches at Barkly East, Moshesh's Ford and at
> Rhodes.
> >
> > Jack VALENTINE married Helene PERLMUTTER(1874,
> > Ichenhausen, Germany - 1942 Theresienstadt,
> Bohemia).
> > Jack died in South Africa as a result of
> contracting
> > tetanus.
> >
> > I am very keen to learn more about these
> Valentines:
> > was Moss related to Jack?
> > what more does anyone know about Valentines who
> went
> > to/ or lived in South Africa at the end of the
> 19th
> > century?
> >
> > Any information would be of great interest to me,
> > Adam Yamey, London, UK<>
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Everything you'll ever need on one web page
> > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
> > http://uk.my.yahoo.com
> >
> >
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> >
>
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> > To find out about South African Research and how
> to do it please visit:
> > http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/
> >
>
> ______________________________

> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:44:00 +0100
> From: "dpratt" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Wits University
>
> Hi
> Carol is also the official "archivist" of the Church
> of the Province of
> Southern Africa.
>
> Is her email new? I've got her as
>
>
> Derek Pratt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tessa King" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:53 AM
> Subject: [ZA] Wits University
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Here are the details for the Librarian who
> assisted me with the St. Albans
> registers.
> >
> > Carol Archibald
> > Historical Papers
> > William Cullen Library
> > University of the Witwatersrand
> > Private Bag X1
> > PO Wits 2050
> > South Africa
> > Tel: (O11) 717 1940
> > Fax: (011) 339 4137
> > e-mail:
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Tessa
> >
> >
> > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA Mailing List ====
> >
>
***********************************************************************
> > To find out about South African Research and how
> to do it please visit:
> > http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/
> >
>
> ______________________________

> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:04:03 +0200
> From: "Becky Horne" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw:
>
> Hi Viv and Ralph
>
> I'm not sure if this is going to help or if you have
> been to these
> undermentioned sites, so apologies if it might be a
> repetition.
>
> Have a look at this site. Interesting info on the
> VOC (Dutch India Company)
> A Jean Prieur DU PLESSIS is mentioned.
> http://www.museum.co.za/flight.htm
>
> Also go to Heather's site www.genealogy.co.za and
> search for OOSTERLAND
> PASSENGER LIST. There you will also find Jean Prieur
> DU PLESSIS.
>
> Ralph, here is another site but
> http://home.mweb.co.za/el/elijo/famhtml/dat10.htm
> that has a database on DU
> PLESSIS. Unfortunately it is only open to users
> (which I am not) but I see
> that you are a subscriber. Maybe you can send a
> letter to MWeb's suggestion
> box and inquire if they would be willing to split
> subscriber fees pertaining
> to genealogy. This server has a huge amount of
> genealogy data which is being
> 'lost' to non-subscribers, especially to our
> overseas researchers. Maybe
> they will give you 3 months credit for your
> suggestion. :o)
>
> Festive Greetings,
>
> Becky
> Port Elizabeth, South Africa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Anderson <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw:
>
>
> > Hi Viv, I too have an interest in the DU PLESSIS
> family. I have only very
> limited information however, that one of my
> ancestors, JEAN DU PLESSIS
> arrived in Table Bay in 1688 and married a MARIA
> BRUSET (BRUNET?)Then
> presumambly a daughter married a JOHANNES VAN
> ELLENCE from Amsterdam. Then
> followed in succession HENDRICK RUDOLF VAN ELLENCE
> m. CATHERINE ESTERHUISEN.
> ELIZABETH MARIA VAN ELLENCE m. BATHOLOMEUS SCHONKEN.
> Then JOHANNA MARIA
> SCHONKEN m. WILLIAM ANDERSON in 1806, and he and a
> colleague were the first
> to establish a mission station at Klaarwater, later
> Griquatown, north of the
> Orange River, I think, under the auspices of the
> London Missionary Society.
> (See "They were South Africans" by John Bond) I hope
> this is of interest.
> >
> > Ralph Anderson.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: V NIEDERBERGER
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:36 PM
> > Subject: Fw: [ZA] Fw:
> >
> >
> > Dear Mike
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. I have Sampson King Muir
> and his wife Josphine
> Lina
> > Muller on my database. The most amazing thing
> is that records for the
> > eastern Cape and Transkei are sketchy, yet the
> same family names keep
> > cropping up there. Van Heerden, Muller,
> Griffiths, Muir, Anderson,
> > Alexander, du Plessis, Potgieter, Mundell to
> name a few, and even a
> number
> > of voortrekker names spring up there - Maritz
> comes to mind. Many
> British
> > families, like Muir, originate in the Eastern
> Cape regions from the 1820
> > Settlers who were given grants of land by the
> Cape British Authorities,
> as
> > well as German communities.
> > Where does Wattrus fit in, Mike? How are you
> connected? Are there any
> du
> > Plessis' in your family? I was given
> information about an Andries
> Jacobus
> > du Plessis [my great great grandfather's
> names-for whom I am searching]
> who
> > married a Mundell girl. I was not given the
> source, nor any dates and
> have
> > not been able to check it out, but the point of
> interest here is that
> > Sampson King Muir's parents were John Winter
> Muir *11.9.1847 in
> Grahamstown
> > and [2nd marriage] Anne Mundell *25.4.1854,
> ~14.5.1854 at St John's.
> Fort
> > Beaufort, Eastern Cape, the daughter of James
> John Henry Mundell and Ann
> > McCallaghan.
> >
> > I would love to know more about your family. I
> love The List, it is
> great
> > to be able communicate info this way!
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Viv
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Wattrus #8" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: 12 December 2002 12:36
> > Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw:
> >
> >
> > > Hi Viv
> > > I have a connection to MUIR through Sampson
> King MUIR who married
> > Josephine
> > > Lina Kathrina MULLER.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: V NIEDERBERGER <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:45 AM
> > > Subject: [ZA] Fw:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greetings Fellow Genealogists
> > > >
> > > > New to 'The List', but not to genealogy, I
> wish to tell you that my
> Mom,
> > > Gloria Joey Frances du Plessis, nee Jacobs was
> an avid genealogist for
> > about
> > > 45 years before she passed away on 9th August
> this year. Mom was
> healthy
> > > and strong and passed on without prior
> illness, nor warning to her
> family,
> > > who love her dearly, from brain stem stroke
> within 4 days. Her input
> into
> > > the LDS libraries and other brons will be
> really missed, I know. My
> > sincere
> > > sympathies to April Blakely and her family, I
> know how you are feeling
> > right
> > > now as we are all still reeling in shock. But
> great news about the
> new
> > > little one - congratulations!
> > > > Mom and I have spent the last 30 odd years
> seeking my great
> grandfather
> > on
> > > my fathers' side of the family - du Plessis.
> We suspect that his
> names
> > were
> > > Andries Jacobus du Plessis, born possibly from
> 1850 to 1860-ish, wife
> > > unknown. One of his son's we suspect was
> Philip or Philippus who
> married
> > > into the Muir family, in the Eastern Cape or
> Transkei. Philip's
> brother,
>
=== message truncated ===

> ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:25:19 +0200
> From: "Becky Horne" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Valentine family
>
> Hi Adam
>
> Seligmann & Co. were the owners of the farm called
> Rockwater on which a
> plantation of pine trees were cultivated and a Mr. C
> Riekert was in charge
> of this project. This transcribe is mainly in
> Afrikaans, so if you don't
> speak the language I will be happy to translate it
> for you offlist. Please
> see
>
http://www.ugie.co.za/Kapaaidinge/DEEL4/bosbou-19.htm
>
> Also do a search for VALENTINE on
> www.genealogy.co.za
>
> Good luck with your research.
> Festive Greetings,
>
> Becky
> Port Elizabeth, South Africa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: adamandlopa yamey <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:49 AM
> Subject: [ZA] Valentine family
>
>
> > I am researching my great uncle's firm in Barkly
> East,
> > South Africa. Sigmund SELIGMANN founded Seligmann
> &
> > Co., Barkly East, in 1884.
> >
> > Two years prior to this he started a firm in
> > Dordrecht, South Africa with a Moss VALENTINE.
> Moss
> > married someone from England.
> >
> > In 1885 S.Seligmann & Co. commenced trading. One
> of
> > Sigmund's employees was a Jack VALENTINE. By 1889
> the
> > business was doing well. Another new business
> > J.Valentine & Co. was formed. J.Valentine & Co.
> had
> > branches at Barkly East, Moshesh's Ford and at
> Rhodes.
> >
> > Jack VALENTINE married Helene PERLMUTTER(1874,
> > Ichenhausen, Germany - 1942 Theresienstadt,
> Bohemia).
> > Jack died in South Africa as a result of
> contracting
> > tetanus.
> >
> > I am very keen to learn more about these
> Valentines:
> > was Moss related to Jack?
> > what more does anyone know about Valentines who
> went
> > to/ or lived in South Africa at the end of the
> 19th
> > century?
> >
> > Any information would be of great interest to me,
> > Adam Yamey, London, UK<>
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Everything you'll ever need on one web page
> > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
> > http://uk.my.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > ==== SOUTH-AFRICA Mailing List ====
> >
>
***********************************************************************
> > To find out about South African Research and how
> to do it please visit:
> > http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/
> >
> >
>
> ______________________________

> ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:39:59 -0500
> From: Keith Meintjes
> <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw: [... and DU PLESSIS]
>
> There is an extensive listing for DU PLESSIS in the
> new Volume 8 of SA
> Genealogies. Ralph's connection is
>
> b4 Maria DU PLESSIS * Holland 1702 x 7.11.1718 Jan
> VAN ELLEWEE xx Stellenbosch
> 31.8.1749 Johann Georg ZORN.
>
> (Maria is the first child of the second wife.)
>
> Then, the VAN ELLEWEE descendants are in SA
> Genealogies 2.
>
> Best wishes,
> Keith
> ===========================
>
>
> "Becky Horne" <> wrote:
> Hi Viv and Ralph
>
> I'm not sure if this is going to help or if you have
> been to these
> undermentioned sites, so apologies if it might be a
> repetition.
>
> Have a look at this site. Interesting info on the
> VOC (Dutch India Company)
> A Jean Prieur DU PLESSIS is mentioned.
> http://www.museum.co.za/flight.htm
>
> Also go to Heather's site www.genealogy.co.za and
> search for OOSTERLAND
> PASSENGER LIST. There you will also find Jean Prieur
> DU PLESSIS.
>
> Ralph, here is another site but
> http://home.mweb.co.za/el/elijo/famhtml/dat10.htm
> that has a database on DU
> PLESSIS. Unfortunately it is only open to users
> (which I am not) but I see
> that you are a subscriber. Maybe you can send a
> letter to MWeb's suggestion
> box and inquire if they would be willing to split
> subscriber fees pertaining
> to genealogy. This server has a huge amount of
> genealogy data which is being
> 'lost' to non-subscribers, especially to our
> overseas researchers. Maybe
> they will give you 3 months credit for your
> suggestion. :o)
>
> Festive Greetings,
>
> Becky
> Port Elizabeth, South Africa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Anderson <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw:
>
>
> > Hi Viv, I too have an interest in the DU PLESSIS
> family. I have only very
> limited information however, that one of my
> ancestors, JEAN DU PLESSIS
> arrived in Table Bay in 1688 and married a MARIA
> BRUSET (BRUNET?)Then
> presumambly a daughter married a JOHANNES VAN
> ELLENCE from Amsterdam. Then
> followed in succession HENDRICK RUDOLF VAN ELLENCE
> m. CATHERINE ESTERHUISEN.
> ELIZABETH MARIA VAN ELLENCE m. BATHOLOMEUS SCHONKEN.
> Then JOHANNA MARIA
> SCHONKEN m. WILLIAM ANDERSON in 1806, and he and a
> colleague were the first
> to establish a mission station at Klaarwater, later
> Griquatown, north of the
> Orange River, I think, under the auspices of the
> London Missionary Society.
> (See "They were South Africans" by John Bond) I hope
> this is of interest.
> >
> > Ralph Anderson.
> >
>
> ______________________________

> ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:59:18 +0000
> From: Don Montague <>
> To:
> Subject: [ZA] Christmas Thanks & Greetings
>
> Dear List, during the last twelve months so many
> good pn the South Africa
> Listpeople have rallied round and used their own
> time, travelling expenses
> I'll bet, and connect time, just to help a complete
> stranger in a far away
> country to find his South African kin, that I do not
> know how to thank you
> all. Thank you twice, as they say in the USofA,
> merci mille fois, as they
> say in France.
> And may you all find the ancestors you seek, and
> peace, and love, in 2003
> with highest regards
> Don Montague
> in cold, damp Northamptonshire, longing for sun and
> warmth
>
> ______________________________

> ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:46:08 +0200
> From: "Ralph Anderson" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw: [... and DU PLESSIS]
>
> Keith, Thanks for your very helpful note, and I will
> certainly follow it up. Being a novice in this game,
> what do the symbols in your citation mean, and is
> there a connection between the names VAN ELLEWEE and
> VAN ELLENCE? Incidently reverting to my earlier
> mention of the living DU PLESSIS's one of whom you
> kindly contacted in Canada, my son has now met his
> father, Jean Prieur DU PLESSIS, a minister in the
> Church of the East in Joburg! Is this name
> characteristic of a particular branch of the family,
> do you think?
>
> And Becky, Thanks also for your great help too, and
> I will see what I can do about MWeb, probably not
> till after the holidays.
>
> And to you both and to all you wonderful list
> people, a Merry Christmas and a Happy and hopefully
> a Prosperous New Year 2003.
>
> Ralph.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Meintjes
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw: [... and DU PLESSIS]
>
>
> There is an extensive listing for DU PLESSIS in
> the new Volume 8 of SA
> Genealogies. Ralph's connection is
>
> b4 Maria DU PLESSIS * Holland 1702 x 7.11.1718 Jan
> VAN ELLEWEE xx Stellenbosch
> 31.8.1749 Johann Georg ZORN.
>
> (Maria is the first child of the second wife.)
>
> Then, the VAN ELLEWEE descendants are in SA
> Genealogies 2.
>
> Best wishes,
> Keith
> ===========================
>
>
> "Becky Horne" <> wrote:
> Hi Viv and Ralph
>
> I'm not sure if this is going to help or if you
> have been to these
> undermentioned sites, so apologies if it might be
> a repetition.
>
> Have a look at this site. Interesting info on the
> VOC (Dutch India Company)
> A Jean Prieur DU PLESSIS is mentioned.
> http://www.museum.co.za/flight.htm
>
> Also go to Heather's site www.genealogy.co.za and
> search for OOSTERLAND
> PASSENGER LIST. There you will also find Jean
> Prieur DU PLESSIS.
>
> Ralph, here is another site but
> http://home.mweb.co.za/el/elijo/famhtml/dat10.htm
> that has a database on DU
> PLESSIS. Unfortunately it is only open to users
> (which I am not) but I see
> that you are a subscriber. Maybe you can send a
> letter to MWeb's suggestion
> box and inquire if they would be willing to split
> subscriber fees pertaining
> to genealogy. This server has a huge amount of
> genealogy data which is being
> 'lost' to non-subscribers, especially to our
> overseas researchers. Maybe
> they will give you 3 months credit for your
> suggestion. :o)
>
> Festive Greetings,
>
> Becky
> Port Elizabeth, South Africa
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Anderson <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZA] Fw:
>
>
> > Hi Viv, I too have an interest in the DU PLESSIS
> family. I have only very
> limited information however, that one of my
> ancestors, JEAN DU PLESSIS
> arrived in Table Bay in 1688 and married a MARIA
> BRUSET (BRUNET?)Then
> presumambly a daughter married a JOHANNES VAN
> ELLENCE from Amsterdam. Then
> followed in succession HENDRICK RUDOLF VAN ELLENCE
> m. CATHERINE ESTERHUISEN.
> ELIZABETH MARIA VAN ELLENCE m. BATHOLOMEUS
> SCHONKEN. Then JOHANNA MARIA
> SCHONKEN m. WILLIAM ANDERSON in 1806, and he and a
> colleague were the first
> to establish a mission station at Klaarwater,
> later Griquatown, north of the
> Orange River, I think, under the auspices of the
> London Missionary Society.
> (See "They were South Africans" by John Bond) I
> hope this is of interest.
> >
> > Ralph Anderson.
> >
>
>
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