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From: Delia Robertson <>
Subject: Re: [ZA] First generation-founder
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 05:23:16 +0200
References: <200212050201.gB521ImU020589@lists5.rootsweb.com>
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20021204215337.00b99a30@pop1.sympatico.ca>


Hi Anne,

At 10:03 PM 12/04/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Frans
>Stamvader is family founder (the a in the de Villiers/Pama numbering system).
>Ancestor would be voorouers, and only those that you directly descend from.

I believe you are correct. Ancestor is anyone from whom you have a direct
descent.

Another possibility for family founder would be progenitor, i.e. South
African progenitor (progenitrix, progenitors). I think it is accurate and
clear and is the term I prefer to use.


>In the USA, they see the family founder and his family as the first
>generation. A few American genealogists consider the family founder as the
>immigrant,and only the children born in the USA as the first generation.
>South African genealogists see the first children born in South Africa as
>the first generation (that would be those numbered b).
>
>Do you mean that the THEUNISSEN family in South Africa stem from 4
>different stamvaders?
>Only the one that you directly descend from would be your ancestor (unless
>all 4 stamvaders were brothers).

And even then there would have had to be intermarriage in subsequent
generations to claim a descent from all four.

Regards.
Delia Robertson.


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