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From: keith meintjes <>
Subject: Re: [MURRAY, Diesel, Rautenbach, KALP]
Date: 2 Jul 00 10:14:15 MDT


The following are listed in SA Genealogies V5:

William Thomas Donaldson Murray x Aletta Sophia BOTHA
bl Christiaan Mauritz Botha * 1.1.1873 = Colesberg 13.4.1873
b2 Harriet Martha Aitcheson * 9.7.1874 = Colesberg 16.8.1874

as "ongekoppeldes", unconnected to the many other Murrays listed. It is
possible that William's mother was an Aitcheson, possibly even Harriet and/or
Martha.


Kalb/Kalp are listed in V4. Here is an extract:

Johann Christoffel Kalp * Kassel 18.4.1772 x Kaapstad 30.8.1800 Anna Maria
JORDAAN

b1 Frans Hendrik = 18.6.1801, x Worcester 4.9.1838 Anna Catharina Johanna
SMUTS * 19.7.1820 d.v. Gilles Cornelis Smuts en Anna Catharina Buys

cl Anna Maria Elizabeth Johanna * 7.7.1839

c2 Johannes Christoffel Nicolaas * 8.2.1841

c3 Johanna Helena Petronella * 20.6.1842

c4 Louisa Maria * 14.10.1843 =

c5 Maria Francina Magdalena Dorothea * 28.6.1845 = Victoria-Wes 6.10.1845 x
Colesberg, Martiens HAVENGA

c6 Helena Catharina * 4.9.1847

c7 Alida Barendina * 11.11.1849

c8 Elsje Sophia Nicolina * 31.7.1852

c9 Susanna Jacomina * 13.8.1854

clO Frans Hendrik * 4.1.1857

cll Nicoline Aegina * 10.8.1858

cl2 Gilles Cornelis * 4.7.1860

cl3 Stephanus Johannes * 13.10.1862

cl4 Comelis Michiel * 22.5.1865

(Erkenning: J.S.F. Botha, Pretoria)

I hope this helps.
Keith Meintjes
Michigan, USA

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"Edward Walters" <> wrote:
Hi everyone

I am new to this list and was wondering if anyone had any connections that
they could make for me re several of my family roots.

MURRAY

Which Murray's did we come from? I do not know anything further back than
this:

1. William Thomas Donaldson Murray (b1850 +/-) m Aletta Sophia Botha

2. Christian Mauritz Botha Murray (b 1873, d 1946) m Catharina Elizabeth
Havinga (b1884,d1932)
They lived in Colesburg on a farm called Diyatalwa, named after the prisoner
of war camp he went to in Ceylon. His brothers and sisters were : John
Murray m Georgina; William Murray m Trixie; Dennis Murray; Harriet Murray m
Henry Bruins; Mariaana Murray m Charlie Slater Kinghorn; Nella Murray m Piet
Jooste, Lucey Murray m Ley; Laetitia Murray m Donald Seymour.

3. Maria Magdalena Francina Dorothea Murray (b1903,d1983) m Vincent Fraser
Diesel

Her brothers and sisters were/are : Aletta Sophia Murray m Nicholaas Du
Plessis; William Thomas Donaldson Murray (b1906,d1961) m Sophie Van Niekerk;
Catharina Elizabeth Murray(b1908,d1978);Harriet Martha Itchison Murray m
James Percy Giles; Christina Maureen Murray; Anna Murray m Esias Johannes
Landman (Port Elizabeth, Despatch); Caroline Louise Murray (b1921,d1991)m
John Penney (Milnerton, Cape);Jessamine Murray(b1923) m Theodorus Lambertus
Landman (Jansenville, Cape);

DIESEL and RAUTENBACH

This family is an even greater mystery to me than the Murrays.

1. William Diesel m Ada Rautenbach

2. Vincent Fraser Diesel (b1905,d1960) m Maria Magdalena Francina Dorothea
Murray
His brothers and Sisters are : (a)Melville Diesel m Iris, their children are
: Vernon, Graham and Joy Diesel; (b) Rita Diesel m Jack Clarke, child : Glen
Clarke; (c)William Anthony Diesel m Una Fensham, Child : Denise; (d)Garth
Diesel

KALP

Here the only connection I have is one name:
Maria Magdalena Francina Dorothea Kalp (b1845,d1923) m Marthinus Johannes
Havinga(b1822,d1893)
Their children are :

4. Anna Catharina Johanna Havinga (b.1869)
sp: Erasmus Albertus Havinga (b.1865;d.1935)
4. Anna Hendrina Engela Havinga (b.1870;d.1871)
4. Hermanus Christoffel Havinga (b.1871;d.1887)
4. Frans Hendrick Havinga (b.1873)
sp: Aletta Sophia Van der Merwe (b.1875;d.1941)
4. Maria Magdalena Havinga (b.1874;d.1875)
4. Cecilia Hendrina Havinga (b.1876;d.1878)
4. Johanna Petronella Havinga (b.1878;d.1887)
4. Marthinus Johannes Havinga (b.1879)
sp: Johanna Cornelia Vorster (b.1888;m.1908)
5. Marthinus Johannes Havinga (b.1908)
sp: Maria Magdalena (b.1915)
5. Susanna Maria Havinga (b.1912)
5. Hendrik Rudolph Vorster Havinga (b.1914)
5. Frans Hendrik Havinga (b.1920)
4. Johannes Christoffel Havinga (b.1882;d.1919)
sp: Christina Loucca Van de Walt (b.1880;d.1941)
4. Catharina Elizabeth Havinga (b.1884;d.1932)
sp: Christian Mauritz Botha Murray (b.1873;m.1901;d.1946)
5. Maria Magdalena Francina Dorothea Murray (b.1903;d.1983)
sp: Vincent Fraser Diesel (b.1905;m.1930;d.1960)
5. William Thomas Donaldson Murray (b.1906;d.1961)
sp: Sophie Van Niekerk
5. Catharina Elizabeth Murray (b.1908;d.1978)
sp: Pieter Goosen
5. Harriet Martha Itchison Murray (b.1911;d.1995)
sp: James Percy Giles
5. Christina Maureen Murray (b.1916;d.1927)
5. Anna Murray (b.1918;d.2000)
sp: Esias Johannes Landman
5. Caroline Louise Murray (b.1921;d.1991)
sp: John Penney
5. Jessamine Murray (b.1923)
sp: Theodorus Lambertus Landman (b.1918;d.1991)
4. Andries Havinga (b.1887)
sp: Katie Maasdorp (b.1898)
4. Louisa Maria Havinga (b.1888;d.1920)

I could use all the help I could get, tips etc, I am new at this.

Regards

Tanya


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