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From: "Marthie Bredenkamp" <>
Subject: Re: SPAMER information and South African Genealogies
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:09:28 +0200


Spencer

I see you interest in VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
My husbands mother maiden name is VAN DER WESTHUIZEN.
Is VAN DER WESTHUIZEN surname complete.?

Marthie


----- Original Message -----
From: Williams, Spencer RE <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: SPAMER information and South African Genealogies


Hi Coen,

Thanks for the response. The SPAMER entry appears on page 267.

I too agree with you on the CD issue. Not only will searching be a
breeze,
but also the data transfer. It took me 3 days just to key in the data
from
Vol 5 into my gen. program. Add to that another 1 day for verifying
the
information. Too time consuming and obviousy prone to errors.

Another reason is the errors that appear in Vol 5 (and others). How
do
these get corrected in the printed medium? If done electronically,
these
corrections could easily be sent (via email?) to subscribers on a
periodic
basis. I'm not advocating the demise of the printed medium ( I don't
find
curling up with a good electronic book on my laptop too appealing) -
just
augmenting it with an electronic service.

My surname interests for direct ancestors are (as per Conrod's site):
ANTHONY, Cape Town, pre 1858
ANDREWS, Cape Town, pre 1819
BALAKISTAN, South Africa, anytime
BARK/BAARD, Cape Town, 1700's
BURGESS, Cape Town, Kimberley, late 1800's
CARROLL, St Helena - South Africa, Pre 1867
CROOKE, USA/UK - South Africa, Pre 1804
CROSS, Cape Town, Pre 1890
DE LEÚR, Cape Town, Pre 1824
DOCKRILL, Cape Town, pre 1862
GIDEON, Wellington, Douglas, Kimberley, Cape Town, pre 1824
HENNEKER, Cape Town, Pre 1900
JACOBS, Cape Town, pre 1880
JANSZ, Cape Town, 1700's
JORDAN, Cape Town, pre 1885
LOOS, Cape Town, 1700's
MCCREE, Cape Town, Pre 1889
MCGEE, Cape Town, Pre 1887
MEYNTINGHS, Cape Town, 1600's
PAULSE(N), Paarl, Cape Town, pre 1884
POULTON, 1820 Settler
STONE, Johannesburg, pre 1875
TAYLOR, Cape Town, pre 1880
VAN DER HORST, Cape Town, Stellenbosch, 1700 - 1800's
VAN STRATEN/VAN DER STRAAT, Cape Town, 1700's
WEESBERG, Cape Town, Pre 1856
WIEDERHOLD, Cape Town, 1600's
WILLIAMS, Pretoria - Cape Town, 1900's
WITTEBOL, Cape Town, 1600 - 1700's

As for "other family" (the maternal descendants) - I'm still working
on this
list and will send through seperately. Surnames on this list include:
HOFFMAN
PAS
LOUW
LUCKE
SPAMER
VAN DER WESTHUIZEN

etc etc

Regards,
Spencer Williams

BP Southern Africa (Pty) Ltd
> Tel: +27 21 408 2305
Mobile: +27 83 636 2305
Fax: +27 21 408 2204
Email:


> ----------
> From: C D Spamer[SMTP:]
> Reply To:
> Sent: 02 September 1999 03:05
> To:
> Subject: RE: SPAMER information and South African Genealogies
>
> Hi Spencer
>
> I don't have this fellow in my data base yet. I needed to reward
myself
> the other day, so I drove to GISA at Stellenbosch and bought the
whole
> set,
> Volumes one to five, with which I am delighted. I must give credit
to
> Janet
> Melville for getting me out of my chair. Please tell me on which
page this
> fellow appears. There are millions of Louws. I have only one Louw in
my
> data
> base: - Hendrik Johannes Spamer married Anna Elizabeth Louw in Ceres
. He
> was born C August 1872 and she died May 1931. Had events turned out
> differently in my romantic youth I could have had all these Louws as
> ancestors to my children! I do have a Jan Carel Willem Spamer but he
was
> christened 12/12/1885 see Indeks van doop register at KAB 1882 to
1888. I
> have no family linkages for him.
>
> Btw. I forgot to ask Leon Endeman whether there is any chance that
we
> could
> get these books in Gedcom form or at least in some Dbase such as
Microsoft
> Access or Lotus. As far as I can see there are a lot of Spamers in
the
> first
> five volumes but at the moment the only way that I can find them
would be
> to read meticulously through each page and then enter this into my
> Gen.Programme. Generations de Luxe the programme I use come with two
CD's
> with millions of names which are of course of little use to me ( USA
> Social
> Security Death Index ) I would willingly pay GISA another R1000.00
for CD
> access to their data base. Writable CD equipment has become really
> affordable. In fact if I remember correctly Janet Melville once told
me
> that
> at the University of Port Elizabeth where she works they have data
on more
> than 400,000 names. I'd love to get my hands on that bit of pudding.
> Surely
> there must be some way that these Gold Mines can be exploited. I ,
and I
> am
> sure many others would be willing customers. It is a bit like the
> S.A.Archives problem. Commercial funding for this kind of delicious
hobby
> is
> going to be inevitable. I can't face my neighbour, who abhors
genealogy
> and
> loves Golf and tell him that the nation is funding my hobby with
their
> taxes
> and not his.
>
> Spencer, I f you give me a bit more detail about which lines you
are
> researching I may well have information for you. Please remember to
send
> me
> the page number in Volume 5.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Coen Spamer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Williams, Spencer RE [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:29 PM
> To: C D Spamer
> Subject: SPAMER information
>
> Hello Coen,
>
> I have the following information (ex SA Genealogies Vol 5) in my
database:
> Jan Carel Willem SPAMER * c1851 x Ceres 7 Sep 1909 Aletta Johanna
LOUW * 8
> Apr 1876
>
> Do you have this couple in your database? If so, it would be great
if you
> could send me any information on their descendants.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
> Spencer Williams
>
> BP Southern Africa (Pty) Ltd
> > Tel: +27 21 408 2305
> Mobile: +27 83 636 2305
> Fax: +27 21 408 2204
> Email:
>
>
>
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