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From: "Delia Robertson" <>
Subject: Re: BUTHELEZI
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:29:48 +0300


The Buthelezi clan (and others) were long-time supporters of the
Usuthu (royal Zulu) clan but the relationships were convoluted
and have become more so under Buthelezi's chieftainship.
Buthelezi's paternal ancestry is not that clear --- his father
was not a direct descendant of Nqengelele. Buthelezi is a
direct descendant of Senzangakhona through his mother, i.e.:

Senzangakhona
Mpande
Cetshwayo
Dinizulu
Constance
Mangosuthu

There are numerous books on Buthelezi - some sycophantic, others
not.

Email:
Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/~deliarobertson
-----Original Message-----
From: van Rensburg <>
To: <>
Date: 02 September, 1999 3:28 AM
Subject: BUTHELEZI


:Hi Delia,
:I hope you receive a hearing from Minister Buthelezi, as you go
I will sing
:SHOSHOLOZA and it sentiments, and am sure that the others
listers will join in.
:
:Regarding Minister Mangosuthu Buthelezi, I have been reading
about Shaka and there
:are references to the Buthelezis. Is there a connection
between him and them? and do
:we know Minister Buthelezi's ancestral line, hopefully some on
the list can enlighten
:us on this.
:Regards
:Andre van Rensburg
:
:>
:> Subject: Re: Genealogical resources
:> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:30:53 +0300
:> From: "Delia Robertson" <>
:> To:
:>
:> Hi Maureen:
:>
:> STAIRS and Madeleine Meyer have got nothing to do with Home
:> Affairs. Home Affairs is birth, marriage, death
certificates,
:> passports, visas, identity documents, etc. The other is the
:> national archival system which falls under, I believe,
Culture
:> and Technology. Thought I would offer the clarification.
:>
:> Incidentally, I have written to Home Affairs Minister
Mangosuthu
:> Buthelezi to arrange a meeting to discuss Home Affairs
services,
:> our needs and suggestions how the Department and public
benefit
:> from improvements. Ditto for the Statistical Services, to
:> discuss need or preserving census information so that like
many
:> other countries the information will be available to the
public
:> in 100 years.
:>
:> Have a couple of other things on the back burner - will
:> elucidate when time is right.
:>
:> Cheers. Delia.
:> Email:
:> Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/~deliarobertson
:> -----Original Message-----
:> From: JCCI\MAUREEN BRADY <>
:> To: <>
:> Date: 01 September, 1999 12:03 AM
:> Subject: Genealogical resources
:>
:> :Hullo Hennie M
:> :
:> :A 1000 pardons: I've just given your contact details to our
SA
:> genealogy
:> :list, but, as an employee of a Chamber of Commerce, I've
been
:> party to SO
:> :many forums to bring about partnerships between the public &
:> private sectors
:> :over the past few years, & my experiences on this List plus
the
:> current
:> :debate on the List involving STAIRS & your Madelaine Meyer
make
:> me feel
:> :strongly that you bureaucrats should be involved,
considering
:> how much we
:> :rely on your services.
:> :
:> :Please get involved in the debate or designate someone to do
:> so. Send a
:> :message to with
"subscribe"
:> (without the
:> :quote marks) as the only word in the body of the text. We
need
:> your input on
:> :how feasible it might be to put at least the Index to STAIRS
:> online as a
:> :freely available service, which would stimulate demand for
your
:> services
:> :(downloads, copies of notices, etc) & so generate income for
:> the STAIRS
:> :department to enable it to continue to provide researchers
with
:> information.
:> :I will forward to you separately certain recent mails in
:> support of this
:> :submission.
:> :
:> :Kind regards
:> :Maureen Brady
:
:
:
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