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From: Mansell Upham <>
Subject: Re: ANNA VAN WYK
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 18:05:23 +0000


Hi Barend:

Thanks for responding again.

>Let me hasten to say that the info that I sent you is not my own
>research. I obtained it from the late Johan van Deventer who was using
>the research of the late Philip (?) van Wijk and his own added research
>to compile a book on the Van Wijk/Wyk family for the Northern Tvl branch
>of the SAGS

I did wonder...last year I had spoken to the late Johan van Deventer about
the Van Wyk family - especially Lijsbeth van Wyk and my Vlok/Van Wyk
descent. Since then I have looked at the two stamvaders more carefully and
now a whole host of questions has arisen...de Villiers/Pama is seriously
flawed and I am still in the dark about some of my various Van Wyk
descents...am I wrong in assuming that not much primary research had been
done by either Johan van Deventer or Philip (?) van Wyk?

>I have as a brother one Arij (Willem) van Wijk ~ Cape 13.4.1686 X
>Stellenbosch Anthonetta Campher (d.o. Lorenz Campher)
>Do you have the detail of any of the siblings that you mention?

The following appear to be siblings:

(1) Arij Willemsz baptised 13 April 1686 (married Athoinetta / Agneta
Campher, wid. of Gerrit van der swaan)
(2) Gerrit Willemsz baptism not found (married (1) Elisabeth Vivier;
married (2) Marie Prevot
(4) Anna (no baptism found) and Johanna (baptised 13 June 1688) may have
both existed as sisters....
(5) Maria (?) (no baptism found) (married Cornelis Stapper) who was
widowed (and childless) at an early age
(5) Willem Willemsz baptised (married (1) Johanna Catharina
Campher/Oelofse; married (2) Hendrina Monk

There were at least 5 children. We know tha in 1700 there were 2 sons & s
daughters. We also know that the son Willem was baptised on 31 July 1703.

>> I am not too certain about Anna / Johanna van Wyk first being married
>to
>> Gerrit Willems and whether she had any children by him. There is
>> documentary evidence that Gerrit Willemse's wife Machteld had been
>> appropriated by the Free Black Isaak Pietersz who had moved in with
>Gerrit's
>> wife - Gerrit being moved out and dragged by the hair - his
>replacement
>> admitted later to having fathered two very dark children. Gerrit
>Willemse
>> was given to vagabonding thereafter...I suspect that these two
>children were
>> Gerrit and Susanna...
>
>I presume that this came from D+P and also Hooge based on the marriage ?
>date given as about 1716 with "Anna/Johanna van Wyk" With the
>christening dates given one should probably find something about these
>two and also b12 Luitje's parentage in the church records?

Indeed. Luitje Willemse is in fact b1 and the same person as Rentien. She
was baptised Leutien (not Rentien) 25 January 1694 [and not 1691 as stated
by De Villiers/Pama). Her marriage is crucial in helping to solve the
mystery of the Kruger stammoeder - circumstantial evidence of a family
connection does exist. I now doubt whether Susanna was one of Willemse's or
Machteld's children - she could have been anybody...she does not fit in the
1712 total given for their children: viz. 3 daughters NOT 4.... which means
that the children fathered by the Free Black Isaak Pietersz were more likely
to have been Mattheus & Geertruy. This leave us with the possibility that
Gerrit baptised 2 May 1717 (I do not yet know the details contained in that
baptismal entry) could have been a son of the vagabondering Gerrit Willemse
by Anna / Johanna van Wijck. If so, then it is unlikely to have been the
Free Black Jannetje van Wyk - and possibly the soon-to-become Mrs Nieuwoudt
who married with voorkinders [this, however, is not too evident from the
muster rolls in terms of finding a Gerrit amongst the Nieuwoudt offspring]

Neither Jannetje / Anna van Wyk nor Gerrit Willemse appear in the 1716
muster roll. I have yet to verify the baptisms of Gerrit & Susanna at the
Stellenbosch church.

I do not know whether Hoge (except for his Personalia) has anything further
to add to De Villeirs/Pama.
>
>> The whole matter is complicated by the fact that there was a
>contemporaneous
>> Free Black woman who went by the name of Jannetje van Wyk and like the
>> Lijsbeth van Wyk that Margaret Cairns has written about, who also
>mothered
>> children by different fathers.
>
>Can you supply me with any more detailed info on these two?

They were:

(1) Jannetje - a mesties - appears to have had the following
illegitimate children: Pieter, Paulus (a "kastij"...) & Margareta and 2
more by Heinrich Wedekind from Paderborn.

(2) For information on Elisabeth van Wyk - see article by Margaret Cairns
in Familia XII no 3 of 1975, pp. 55-59
>
>> I also wonder whether Willem van Wyk's wife was Cape-born...
>> Any thoughts out there?
>
>My info says Nederland but I don't know this for fact.

I have not found any reference to her provenance as yet....

Much food for thought here - and proof once again that we cannot take too
much for granted - especially from published sources.

Let me know your further thoughts on this whole matter
Best wishes

Mansell Upham

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