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From: Jill Martin <>
Subject: Re: SOUTH-AFRICA-D Digest V99 #70
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:02:42 +0200


Try A.J. Butler, Constantia Cottage, Firgrove Way, Constantia, 7800, Phone
021-71-21940.

wrote:

> Subject:
>
> SOUTH-AFRICA-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 70
>
> Today's Topics:
> #1 Re: Scottish Immigrants in Aided I ["Sue Mackay" <]
> #2 Re: BOUTLOUR and McLELLAN Surnames [G J Bothof <>]
> #3 New to list [George Ada <>]
> #4 Archive ["Grant Nurden" <]
> #5 Re: Archive [melinde sanborn <melinde-and-georg]
> #6 Potchefstroom [G J Bothof <>]
> #7 Stanley Jones & Co, Drapers, Port ["Mark & Selina Jones" <]
> #8 Walter Roberts & Frederick Roberts [Stephen Emlyn-Jones <]
> #9 CREALOCK ["Cranswick\\Smith" <smith.cranswic]
> #10 Re: CREALOCK ["N. Finnis" <>]
> #11 Families from Benbecula, Scotland [melinde sanborn <melinde-and-georg]
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> Subject: Re: Scottish Immigrants in Aided Immigration 1857-1867
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:35:57 -0000
> From: "Sue Mackay" <>
> To:
>
> >My JOHNSTON/E is Andrew he later married Jane McKinley
> >BALLANTYNE(born 1855 in Glasgow) in Pietermaritzburg. He had
> a printing business.
>
> There is an Andrew Johnstone (26) with his wife Christina and 2 year old son
> James emigrating in 1861, and an infant Andrew with his parents James and
> Janet and siblings Eliza, William, Mary and Agnes emigrating in 1860.
> Neither of these seem to quite fit the bill.
>
> Sue
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> Subject: Re: BOUTLOUR and McLELLAN Surnames
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:44:57 -0800
> From: G J Bothof <>
> To:
>
> melinde sanborn wrote:
> >
> > Dear Listers,
> >
> > I am hopeful of contacting the descendants of one Sam or Samuel
> > BOUTLOUR, of Dutch descent, who married a Miss McLELLAN, originally from
> > the island of Benbecula, Inverness-shire, Scotland. They were living in
> > the 1880s, but we do not know where. At least some of the family worked
> > in a coal mine.
> >
> > Do these names sound familiar to anyone?
> >
> > George SANBORN
> >
>
> Dear George,
>
> The name BOUTLOUR does not sound Dutch at all. Could it be a reading
> error?
>
> Gerrit BOTHOF
> Leusden The Netherlands
>
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> Subject: New to list
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:26:52 +0000
> From: George Ada <>
> To:
>
> Hello fromcool Canada...I am looking for a contact with a Nancy M.
> (Ada)Butler and her son Anthony John Butler whom I believe live in
> Capetown.Is there anyone who might help in my search?
> Regards
> George Ada
> Calabogie
> Ontario
> Canada
>
>
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> Subject: Archive
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:45:37 +0200
> From: "Grant Nurden" <>
> To:
>
> Having had my service provider go down for virtually the whole weekend, all
> messages on the mailing list were bounced back to source, and as a result
> Rootsweb removed me from the list.
>
> I recall that there was some discussion about an archive of messages but I
> do not know how or where to find it. Please will some kind soul point me in
> the right direction.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Grant Nurden
> Actagen Genealogical Research Services
> Pietermaritzburg, Kwazulu-Natal
>
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> Subject: Re: Archive
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:08:03 -0500
> From: melinde sanborn <>
> To:
>
> Hi Grant,
>
> Try this:
>
> Send an e-mail to <>
> In the subject line write: archive
> in the body of the message write only: archive help
>
> I think you can get instructions that way.
>
> Good luck.
>
> George
> U.S.A.
>
> Grant Nurden wrote:
>
> > Having had my service provider go down for virtually the whole weekend, all
> > messages on the mailing list were bounced back to source, and as a result
> > Rootsweb removed me from the list.
> >
> > I recall that there was some discussion about an archive of messages but I
> > do not know how or where to find it. Please will some kind soul point me in
> > the right direction.
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Grant Nurden
> > Actagen Genealogical Research Services
> > Pietermaritzburg, Kwazulu-Natal
> >
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> Subject: Potchefstroom
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:13:27 -0800
> From: G J Bothof <>
> To:
>
> Hallo all listers in Potchefstroom,
>
> More than half a year ago I posted a query which was answered in general
> terms by mrs. Deirdre Waldeck of Durban, but no specific answers were
> received. I hope there are listers from Potchefstroom now on the list
> who are prepared to give information.
>
> Cornelis BOTHOF (with a T, so not Boshof) died in Potchefstroom on 27
> September 1890. I know that at the time there was no official BMD
> registration there, but his death may be in a church book of the
> protestant church in Potchefstroom. Perhaps there is a cemetery
> registration. Is there a possibility to get a death notice from that
> church? How should I proceed?
>
> Are there, in any library, local newspapers covering this period? There
> may be an article on Cornelis BOTHOF's death, which occurred after he
> was wounded in a leg. Is there anybody in a position to do a look up?
>
> Would it be possible to find out how and when he arrived in SA? Are
> there shipping lists for say a few years before 1890? He definetely did
> not live more than a few years in SA.
>
> I am prepared to do a look up in this country in return for the
> person(s) who can help me.
>
> Gerrit Bothof
> Leusden, The Netherlands
>
> P.S. Also answers in Afrikaans are welcome!
>
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> Subject: Stanley Jones & Co, Drapers, Port Elizabeth, SA
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:28:19 -0000
> From: "Mark & Selina Jones" <>
> To:
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> I am hopeful for any information on my GGfathers company based in Port
> Elizabeth in the eary 1900's. I have a copy of one of the bills for his
> company as follows:-
>
> Stanley Jones & Co
> Drapers and Ladies ' Outfitters - Phone 4108
>
> Branch "BARTON'S"
> Late Matthews & Co
> 109 Main Street.
>
> Any information/lookups on the company or the area would be appreciated, I
> am in the UK so not a local travel opportunity!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark Jones -
>
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> Subject: Walter Roberts & Frederick Roberts
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:37:46 +0000
> From: Stephen Emlyn-Jones <>
> To:
>
> I am seeking information on 2 persons who emigrated from England/Wales
> to South Africa.
> 1)Walter Roberts born Carmarthen 1846 who married Alice Price & had 9
> daughters.He must have arrived in South Africa before 1881.
> 2)Frederick Ernest Roberts born 1870/1 Kensington London & married Ada
> who by 1897 was an accountant in Johannesburg.
> Could someone advise me what records if any are available & where they
> are located relating to persons who emigrated in this time period.
> Many thanks for any help.
> --
> Stephen Emlyn-Jones
> Bridgend http://www.semlyn.demon.co.uk/
> Wales mailto:
>
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> Subject: CREALOCK
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:00:57 -0800
> From: "Cranswick\\Smith" <>
> To:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am doing research of my mothers family whom came from Devon, England.
> I know that there is a wealth of information on the two brothers who
> participated in the Zulu War in 1879. They were Henry Hope Crealock and John
> North Crealock.
>
> But what I am curious about is that I was given a list of addresses to
> various Crealocks around the world. Included amongst them were two from
> Natal. They are
>
> Mrs. H Crealock
> 85 Kirstenbosch
> 12 Sandown Rd.
> Snell Parade, Natal
> South Africa 4001
>
> Mrs. A Crealock
> 89 Regent Ave.
> Brighton Beach, Natal
> South Africa 4052
>
> These addresses could be 20-30 years old and these people may only be found
> in the local graveyards. I have no idea how these two people are tied into
> the family tree.
>
> I have searched out the Crealock name for 14 generations back to 1500's to
> when parish records were first recorded. The name is only found in Devon,
> England up until the 1800's when a few of the Crealocks migrated to North
> America.
>
> So if you have any means of helping me, it would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Allan Smith
> Prince George, BC
> Canada
>
> One name CREALOCK
>
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> Subject: Re: CREALOCK
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:21:13 +1300
> From: "N. Finnis" <>
> To:
>
> Hi There,
> I'm sorry I'm not responding to your Crealock question though I did look it
> up in the Dunedin, New Zealand ph. book and of course there are not any
> there.
>
> What caught my attention was your saying you had a wealth of information on
> your Crealock brothers who fought in the Zulu war in 1879. I have an
> ancestor in South Africa at this time supposedly fighting in a war. Did
> you mean you had information about their war records? If so, did you get
> your info. from family sorces or official sources in England or South
> Africa?
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Annette Finnis
> Dunedin. NZ.
>
> Researching Peake, Carly, Charrosin
> in Dover.
> Randall and Charrosin in Whitstable.
>
>
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> Subject: Families from Benbecula, Scotland
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:03:00 -0500
> From: melinde sanborn <>
> To:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> For many years I have been collecting information about the descendants,
> anywhere in the world, of families from the island of Benbecula, Parish
> of South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland. If anyone on the list knows
> of any Benbecula individuals or families, I should very much like to
> hear from you.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> George Sanborn

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