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From: "Lynette Litfin" <>
Subject: [SOUTH-AFRICA-L] Re: Baragwanath Research Team
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:41:05 +0800

Greetings David. For some odd reason I have just lost the information you sent re:Bryne settlement and the information from your friend re; the Baragwanaths Would it be possible to get this again. Thanks for your assistence Kind Regards Lynette. -----Original Message----- From: David Moon <> To: <> Date: Monday, 8 February 1999 5:38 Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team > >I have come across the name Baragwanath, referred to in the book "Cornish >Pioneers in South Africa" by Richard D Dawe. Page 24 mentions the >Baragwanaths as a prominent CORNISH family to arrive in Natal under the >Byrne scheme. The information seems similar to that has already been >posted to the list except for a few additional and perhaps conflicting >details, eg John Albert Baragwanath, was accompanied to Natal by his wife >Wilmot and four children,( Elizabeth Grace, John Albert, Orlando and Emily) >a fifth child Charles born at sea, but died aged 8 weeks(his death was >recorded in the Natal Winess,Pietermaritzburg 31/5/1850). The family >settled at a farm called Isipingo South of Durban .John and Wilmot returned >to England where John had medical treatment but died, probably in 1873. >The origin of the name is given as Cornish to mean "wheaten bread" the >Cornish equivalent of the surname Whitbread. >The son John Albert Baragwanath married Cornish woman Adelaide Trennery >they had six daughters and four sons and their son Orlando was destined to >become the best known Baragwanath as one of Rhodesia's great pioneers. > > >Regards David Moon >Pietermaritzburg. > >> From: Annabel Graham <> >> To: >> Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team >> Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 7:42 AM >> >> Hi Graham >> >> I will try and get hold of an email address of a friend of the family >whose >> wife has been involved with the history society of Zimbabwe for 20 years. >> Maybe she can help. >> >> I grew up in the Northern Transvaal and remember as a child going with my >> parents to the Downs in the Eastern Transvaal where they visited a >> Baragwanath, not sure what his name was but will ask my mother. The house >> was built out of rocks and even the pool, I remember my sisters and I >> swimming in it. >> >> I also went to school with Baragwanath's in Pietersburg (they are a big >> family there). Last I heard they bought a nusery, tea garden in >> Magoebaskloof. I believe Megan was there with her parents. I think her >> father's name was Olly, not sure. For the life of me I can't remember her >> brother's name. >> >> Will be in contact again. >> >> regards >> Annabel Graham >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Graham Dickason <> >> To: <> >> Date: 05 February 1999 08:32 >> Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team >> >> >> >I find that on a proper search of my library, I actually have a copy of" >> >Rhodesiana " Publication No. 28 of July, 1973 ( published by The >Rhodesiana >> >Society ).The article is titled " Orlando Baragwanath : A Centenarian >> >Pioneer of Rhodesia " by Roger Howman. The article runs to 25 pages - so >> you >> >let me know which way is best to get it to you - i.e. fax,airmail, >> whatever. >> >As I think some of the information is of interest to our Listers, the >> >following is a very brief outline: >> >John Baragwanath, a sea captain from St. Ives, came to Natal in the >1850s. >> >His son, John Albert Baragwanath married Adelaide Trennery of >Queenstown, >> >Cape Colony. They had a family of 10 children, ( 6 daughters ) of whom >> >Orlando b. at Cacadu , North Eastern Cape Colony,on 25 March 1872. The >> >discovery of gold in the Transvaal led to John Albert B packing up ( at >> >Queenstown ? ) and trekking to the gold discoveries, firstly in the >Eastern >> >Transvaal, today Mpumalanga, & then to the Witwatersrand ( Johannesburg >> >area ). Settlement here by John Albert gave the area its name, >Baragwanath >> > in Welsh - bread of wheat ). An aerdrome was established nearby & later >in >> >the early 1940's a hospital was built to serve RAF personnel based >there. >> >This hospital was eventually handed over to the Transvaal Province after >> the >> >war. >> >Orlando seems to have spent his earlier years in what was then Northern >& >> >Southern Rhodesia.However, by 1905 he settled at " The Downs" , North >> >Eastern Transvaal. He celebrated his 100th birthday on 25th March 1972, >and >> >a photograph that day certainly shows a fit & spry man. >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Lynette Litfin <> >> >To: <> >> >Date: 05 February 1999 02:31 >> >Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team >> > >> > >> >>Greetings Graham. >> >> >> >>Thank you VERY MUCH for the information you have sent me, it is really >> >>appreciated and gives me a great starting place. One of the >Baragwanath's >> >is >> >>on the internet but never answers my mail to him. >> >> >> >>Could you tell me where you got the information you sent me (for >quoting >> >>perposes for the book) I haven't heard about the book you mention, is >it >> >>worth me trying to get it? >> >> >> >>Once again, thank you. >> >> >> >>Kind Regards >> >>Lynette Litfin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Graham Dickason <> >> >>To: <> >> >>Date: Thursday, 4 February 1999 11:52 >> >>Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team >> >> >> >> >> >>>John Baragwanath was a St. Ives sea captain who, as a widower, >emigrated >> >>>with his family of four children per the Lady Bruce a 538 ton barque >in >> >>>1850. On arrival in Natal, they moved inland to Beaulieu, Richmond >where >> >>>they were allocated land. John Albert Baragwanath, ( presumably the >> >>eldest ) >> >>>was left in charge of the children , >> >>>John >> >>>Baragwanath continued to be a man of the sea,captaining an early >> >>>paddle-steamer between the Cape & Mauritius. At a later date, he >returned >> >>to >> >>>England for medical treatment, accompanied by his son Orlando >> Baragwanath. >> >>>He did not survive an operation & Orlando was left stranded in the U. >K. >> >>>John Albert Baragwanath was an early prospector when gold was found >in >> >the >> >>>area that became Johannesburg. He was a shareholder in the Vierfontein >> >Farm >> >>>Gold Mining Company, later absorbed into Crown Mines. He bought land >to >> >the >> >>>south of Ferreira's Camp ( early Johannesburg ) alongside the wagon >route >> >>>from Kimberley. Here he set up a wayside inn, the Concordia Hotel. At >a >> >>>later date, the site became well known ( and still exists ) as Uncle >> >>>Charlies. >> >>>There was a publication on Orlando B some years ago - written by Roger >> >>>Howman in " Rhodesiana " published in Harare, Zimbabwe in 1973. >> >>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>From: Lynette Litfin <> >> >>>To: <> >> >>>Date: 04 February 1999 04:42 >> >>>Subject: Baragwanath Research Team >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>Greetings from Western Australia >> >>>> >> >>>>I am researching the above name and although I know of the places >that >> >>have >> >>>>been named after them I am not having any success connecting with any >> >>>people >> >>>>themselves, or anything about them. >> >>>> >> >>>>I would be very grateful for any assistance, the book I am writing >would >> >>be >> >>>>a bit empty without something from the South African side. >> >>>> >> >>>>Kind Regards >> >>>> >> >>>>Lynette Litfin >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>==== SOUTH-AFRICA Mailing List ==== >> >>>>If you want to unsubscribe send an email with the word unsubscribe >> >>>>in the body, to the correct address, dependant on how you are >subscribed >> >>>>if in mail mode: >> >>>> >> >>>>if in digest mode: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>==== SOUTH-AFRICA Mailing List ==== >> >>>**************************************************** >> >>>This list is for the discussion of genealogy and any >> >>>related subject, as it applies to South and Southern >> >>>Africa. 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