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From: "Lynette Litfin" <>
Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:46:27 +0800


Greetings Graham
I have read the other messages sent to you, for some reason my printer won't
print it out for me.
Anyway, everyone has little bits right. John Baragwanath was from Redruth in
Cornwall and was previously married but his wife died. So he married again
(I have it to a Baragwanath cousin) and set off to South Africa with her and
his children. She did not go back to England with him, only his son Orlando
who ended up staying there after his father died.

Most of the above information has come from the book written about Orlando
(another one) called 'Trail of the Copper King' by T.V.Bulpin.

However there is a degree of truth which I can use and I am very grateful
for that. Please keep in touch.

Kind Regards

Lynette Litfin

-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Dickason <>
To: <>
Date: Monday, 8 February 1999 11:35
Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team

>Hello David : Most informative & appreciated. The conflicting detail is
>whether JB came as a widower or with his wife. Also, the location on
>arrival. As far as I know, most of the Byrne Settlers were located at
>Richmond - Isipingo might well have been where they moved to at a later
>date. I wasn't aware of the book " Cornish Pioneers in South Africa " by
>Richard Dawe. Will go & look it up at the Africana section of the Jhb
>Library. Thank you.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Moon <>
>To: <>
>Date: 08 February 1999 11:45
>Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team
>
>
>>
>>I have come across the name Baragwanath, referred to in the book "Cornish
>>Pioneers in South Africa" by Richard D Dawe. Page 24 mentions the
>>Baragwanaths as a prominent CORNISH family to arrive in Natal under the
>>Byrne scheme. The information seems similar to that has already been
>>posted to the list except for a few additional and perhaps conflicting
>>details, eg John Albert Baragwanath, was accompanied to Natal by his wife
>>Wilmot and four children,( Elizabeth Grace, John Albert, Orlando and
Emily)
>>a fifth child Charles born at sea, but died aged 8 weeks(his death was
>>recorded in the Natal Winess,Pietermaritzburg 31/5/1850). The family
>>settled at a farm called Isipingo South of Durban .John and Wilmot
returned
>>to England where John had medical treatment but died, probably in 1873.
>>The origin of the name is given as Cornish to mean "wheaten bread" the
>>Cornish equivalent of the surname Whitbread.
>>The son John Albert Baragwanath married Cornish woman Adelaide Trennery
>>they had six daughters and four sons and their son Orlando was destined to
>>become the best known Baragwanath as one of Rhodesia's great pioneers.
>>
>>
>>Regards David Moon
>>Pietermaritzburg.
>>
>>> From: Annabel Graham <>
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team
>>> Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 7:42 AM
>>>
>>> Hi Graham
>>>
>>> I will try and get hold of an email address of a friend of the family
>>whose
>>> wife has been involved with the history society of Zimbabwe for 20
years.
>>> Maybe she can help.
>>>
>>> I grew up in the Northern Transvaal and remember as a child going with
my
>>> parents to the Downs in the Eastern Transvaal where they visited a
>>> Baragwanath, not sure what his name was but will ask my mother. The
house
>>> was built out of rocks and even the pool, I remember my sisters and I
>>> swimming in it.
>>>
>>> I also went to school with Baragwanath's in Pietersburg (they are a big
>>> family there). Last I heard they bought a nusery, tea garden in
>>> Magoebaskloof. I believe Megan was there with her parents. I think her
>>> father's name was Olly, not sure. For the life of me I can't remember
her
>>> brother's name.
>>>
>>> Will be in contact again.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Annabel Graham
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Graham Dickason <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Date: 05 February 1999 08:32
>>> Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team
>>>
>>>
>>> >I find that on a proper search of my library, I actually have a copy
of"
>>> >Rhodesiana " Publication No. 28 of July, 1973 ( published by The
>>Rhodesiana
>>> >Society ).The article is titled " Orlando Baragwanath : A Centenarian
>>> >Pioneer of Rhodesia " by Roger Howman. The article runs to 25 pages -
so
>>> you
>>> >let me know which way is best to get it to you - i.e. fax,airmail,
>>> whatever.
>>> >As I think some of the information is of interest to our Listers, the
>>> >following is a very brief outline:
>>> >John Baragwanath, a sea captain from St. Ives, came to Natal in the
>>1850s.
>>> >His son, John Albert Baragwanath married Adelaide Trennery of
>>Queenstown,
>>> >Cape Colony. They had a family of 10 children, ( 6 daughters ) of whom
>>> >Orlando b. at Cacadu , North Eastern Cape Colony,on 25 March 1872. The
>>> >discovery of gold in the Transvaal led to John Albert B packing up
at
>>> >Queenstown ? ) and trekking to the gold discoveries, firstly in the
>>Eastern
>>> >Transvaal, today Mpumalanga, & then to the Witwatersrand ( Johannesburg
>>> >area ). Settlement here by John Albert gave the area its name,
>>Baragwanath
>>> > in Welsh - bread of wheat ). An aerdrome was established nearby &
later
>>in
>>> >the early 1940's a hospital was built to serve RAF personnel based
>>there.
>>> >This hospital was eventually handed over to the Transvaal Province
after
>>> the
>>> >war.
>>> >Orlando seems to have spent his earlier years in what was then Northern
>>&
>>> >Southern Rhodesia.However, by 1905 he settled at " The Downs" , North
>>> >Eastern Transvaal. He celebrated his 100th birthday on 25th March 1972,
>>and
>>> >a photograph that day certainly shows a fit & spry man.
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Lynette Litfin <>
>>> >To: <>
>>> >Date: 05 February 1999 02:31
>>> >Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Greetings Graham.
>>> >>
>>> >>Thank you VERY MUCH for the information you have sent me, it is really
>>> >>appreciated and gives me a great starting place. One of the
>>Baragwanath's
>>> >is
>>> >>on the internet but never answers my mail to him.
>>> >>
>>> >>Could you tell me where you got the information you sent me (for
>>quoting
>>> >>perposes for the book) I haven't heard about the book you mention, is
>>it
>>> >>worth me trying to get it?
>>> >>
>>> >>Once again, thank you.
>>> >>
>>> >>Kind Regards
>>> >>Lynette Litfin
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: Graham Dickason <>
>>> >>To: <>
>>> >>Date: Thursday, 4 February 1999 11:52
>>> >>Subject: Re: Baragwanath Research Team
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>John Baragwanath was a St. Ives sea captain who, as a widower,
>>emigrated
>>> >>>with his family of four children per the Lady Bruce a 538 ton barque
>>in
>>> >>>1850. On arrival in Natal, they moved inland to Beaulieu, Richmond
>>where
>>> >>>they were allocated land. John Albert Baragwanath, ( presumably the
>>> >>eldest )
>>> >>>was left in charge of the children ,
>>> >>>John
>>> >>>Baragwanath continued to be a man of the sea,captaining an early
>>> >>>paddle-steamer between the Cape & Mauritius. At a later date, he
>>returned
>>> >>to
>>> >>>England for medical treatment, accompanied by his son Orlando
>>> Baragwanath.
>>> >>>He did not survive an operation & Orlando was left stranded in the
U.
>>K.
>>> >>>John Albert Baragwanath was an early prospector when gold was found
>>in
>>> >the
>>> >>>area that became Johannesburg. He was a shareholder in the
Vierfontein
>>> >Farm
>>> >>>Gold Mining Company, later absorbed into Crown Mines. He bought land
>>to
>>> >the
>>> >>>south of Ferreira's Camp ( early Johannesburg ) alongside the wagon
>>route
>>> >>>from Kimberley. Here he set up a wayside inn, the Concordia Hotel. At
>>a
>>> >>>later date, the site became well known ( and still exists ) as Uncle
>>> >>>Charlies.
>>> >>>There was a publication on Orlando B some years ago - written by
Roger
>>> >>>Howman in " Rhodesiana " published in Harare, Zimbabwe in 1973.
>>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>From: Lynette Litfin <>
>>> >>>To: <>
>>> >>>Date: 04 February 1999 04:42
>>> >>>Subject: Baragwanath Research Team
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>Greetings from Western Australia
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>I am researching the above name and although I know of the places
>>that
>>> >>have
>>> >>>>been named after them I am not having any success connecting with
any
>>> >>>people
>>> >>>>themselves, or anything about them.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>I would be very grateful for any assistance, the book I am writing
>>would
>>> >>be
>>> >>>>a bit empty without something from the South African side.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Kind Regards
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Lynette Litfin
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
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