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From: "gary d wilson" <>
Subject: Re: [PA-QUAKERS] Carruthers was Harmer brothers, Quakers from Wiltshire to Pennsylvania in 1682
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:24:08 -0400
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Sir:
Thank You for Your Kindness, and I will do some checking in reference to
Your suggestions.

With Regards:
The Sarge
""Honor and Courage""

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: [PA-QUAKERS] Carruthers was Harmer brothers, Quakers from
Wiltshire to Pennsylvania in 1682


> Hello Gary,
>
> My surname is Scottish in origin and means the fort of Roderick,
> Caer-Rhydderch in the Scots Gaelic. The name is from the old Scottish
> county
> of Dumfriesshire, and the Carruthers family originated in Annandale there
> where they were adherents of the Bruce family, and as such are considered
> a
> sept of that clan.
>
> The name spread from Scotland into Ireland during the Plantation of Ulster
> in the 17th century and there are many Carrutherses there who spell the
> name
> in various ways, including Carrothers and Crothers. It is all the same
> name
> spelt according to the rendering of local scribes and family members.
> There
> are other forms, including Caruthers, Carothers, Cruddas, Cruddace and
> Cridders, the last three of which reflect the traditional Scots
> pronunciation of the name.
>
> There is, btw, a Carrothers genealogy of an Irish Carrothers family lodged
> at the Archives of Ontario in Toronto. Perhaps you can gain access to it.
>
> I hope this helps you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Richard Carruthers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gary d wilson [mailto:]
> Sent: April 2, 2006 5:03 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [PA-QUAKERS] Harmer brothers, Quakers from Wiltshire to
> Pennsylvania in 1682
>
> Mr R Carruthers:
> Good Day, and I do Hope someone cvan Help You with this Search,
> However, I would like to inguire about The Surname CARRUTHER/s.
> From My Family History, I have the spellind CARROther/s &
> Carrouther/s;
> Note:
> George CARROTHERS b. 1784, Ireland, D. Dec 4, 1863 (Moorefield Twp,
> Harrison Co, Ohio, Wife: (1st Jane HALL, b Feb 2, 1791, Ireland) marr: abt
> 1810 in Penn, but issue (5) children :
> James, b. 1809
> John
> George
> William
> Margaret
> Marrie (2nd Wife: 1828, Ann HASTINGS, b. Fermanagh, Ire May 1, 1798,
> issue (5) children:
> Sarah (married James WILSON (My Family)
> Beatty, (male, b. Mar 14, 1832,
> Elizabeth
> Mary
> Christopher.
> (Ref: Ohio Valley Genealogies, By Charles Hanna, 1990; Ref: WILSON
> Family Paper's handed down.
> This is just a Shot in The Dark, but the Family go's all different
> directions once it's in Nottingham, Twp, Moorefield, Harrison Co, Oh.
>
> Thank You for Your Time, and Hope that someone can Help You.
> Please have a Great Day as well as a Great Summer
>
> Regards:
> Gary D Wilson
> PO Box 476
> Cambridge, Ohio 43725-0476
> The Sarge
> ""Honor and Courage""
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [PA-QUAKERS] Harmer brothers, Quakers from Wiltshire to
> Pennsylvania in 1682
>
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am trying to establish contact with any Harmer descendants with
>> knowledge of their origins. In doing my own Wiltshire research, I have
>> come across the family of a likely Quaker, George Harmer, senior,
>> tailor, of Rodbourne Cheney, Wilts., described in the parish register
>> there as "an heretick" by Nicholas Adee, the rector, when his son
>> Samuel, "of ripe years", was brought to be baptised in 1678. Samuel's
>> mother was Edith. During the Commonwealth, the births of two sons of
>> George Harmer and Edith his wife were registered by the civil register
>> (i.e. registrar) in 1654 and 1657, likely because Quakers were
>> probably unoffended by the civil authority taking note of their
>> births. Samuel, however, was probably born earlier, and only baptised
>> so that he could be married in the Church of England after the
> Restoration.
>> His
>> daughter is baptised the next year.
>>
>> Now, I find that two brothers, both Quaker, went out from Wiltshire to
>> Pennsylvania after 5 June 1682 according to the following website,
>> http://www.geocities.com/roudeng/Harmer.html (from which I take this
>> snippet), viz.:
>>
>> "William & George Harmer were brothers who left England for
>> Pennsylvania after June 5, 1682. William (born ca. 1660-1731/32,
>> Chalwily, Wiltshire,
>> England) was the elder of the two and was a tailor by occupation. His
>> certificate of removal bears the previously cited date and was granted
>> by the Purton Friends Monthly Meeting in Wiltshire, England. After his
>> arrival in Pennsylvania, William joined the Abington Meeting but did
>> not maintain active membership. He returned to his native England
>> where he married sometime after September 7, 1685, Ruth Skeat (born
>> in Chalwily, Wiltshire, England, daughter of John Skeat) at Foxham,
>> Wiltshire. He and his bride returned to Pennsylvania. William Harmer
>> requested reinstatement at the Abington Meeting on September 30, 1706.
>> In 1720/21 he and Ruth and two sons removed to the Gwynedd Monthly
>> Meeting. He died Nov. 26, 1731, in Upper Dublin Twp., Philadelphia,
>> PA, and is buried at the Friends Burial Ground at Philadelphia. Ruth
>> (Skeat) Harmer died Dec. 25, 1748 and is buried at the same location.
>> William's will mentions 8 children but only Ruth and John by name.
>> Other children of this couple have been identified as Elizabeth who
>> married Joseph Townsend, Jane who married John Bradfield and William
>> who married Eleanor Richardson. Our connection to this family is
>> through Jane Harmer. I have seen this family pedigree extending back
>> to 1537, but after checking it out, I found a couple of discrepancies
>> to make me unsure of the accuracy of it. If anyone finds any proof of
>> the ancestors of William and George Harmer, please contact me."
>>
>> I have tried without success to contact the author of the website and
>> wonder if there isn't someone connected with this family on this list?
>>
>> One of the two sons of George Harmer, senior, tailor, of Rodbourne
>> Cheney, Wilts., and his wife Edith, civilly registered was George
>> Harmer, born 8 Nov. 1657 (Old Style). He is likely to be one of the 2
>> brothers who went to Pennsylvania in 1682. There is no such place as
>> Chalwily in Wiltshire, and I believe that it is a garbling of the
>> second element of Rodbourne Cheney, which was spelt in quite a variety
>> of ways until settling on the modern "correct" form.
>>
>> I would be grateful for any assistance or contact.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Richard Carruthers, M.A. (Oxon.)
>> OPC for Purton and Rodbourne Cheney, Wilts.
>> Conducting a one-place study of Purton, Wilts., with interest in
>> adjacent or nearby parishes, such as Rodbourne Cheney.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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