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From: Richard <>
Subject: RE: [PA-QUAKERS] Carruthers was Harmer brothers,Quakers from Wiltshire to Pennsylvania in 1682
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:59:42 -0700
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Hello Gary,

My surname is Scottish in origin and means the fort of Roderick,
Caer-Rhydderch in the Scots Gaelic. The name is from the old Scottish county
of Dumfriesshire, and the Carruthers family originated in Annandale there
where they were adherents of the Bruce family, and as such are considered a
sept of that clan.

The name spread from Scotland into Ireland during the Plantation of Ulster
in the 17th century and there are many Carrutherses there who spell the name
in various ways, including Carrothers and Crothers. It is all the same name
spelt according to the rendering of local scribes and family members. There
are other forms, including Caruthers, Carothers, Cruddas, Cruddace and
Cridders, the last three of which reflect the traditional Scots
pronunciation of the name.

There is, btw, a Carrothers genealogy of an Irish Carrothers family lodged
at the Archives of Ontario in Toronto. Perhaps you can gain access to it.

I hope this helps you.

Sincerely,

Richard Carruthers

-----Original Message-----
From: gary d wilson [mailto:]
Sent: April 2, 2006 5:03 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [PA-QUAKERS] Harmer brothers, Quakers from Wiltshire to
Pennsylvania in 1682

Mr R Carruthers:
Good Day, and I do Hope someone cvan Help You with this Search,
However, I would like to inguire about The Surname CARRUTHER/s.
From My Family History, I have the spellind CARROther/s &
Carrouther/s;
Note:
George CARROTHERS b. 1784, Ireland, D. Dec 4, 1863 (Moorefield Twp,
Harrison Co, Ohio, Wife: (1st Jane HALL, b Feb 2, 1791, Ireland) marr: abt
1810 in Penn, but issue (5) children :
James, b. 1809
John
George
William
Margaret
Marrie (2nd Wife: 1828, Ann HASTINGS, b. Fermanagh, Ire May 1, 1798,
issue (5) children:
Sarah (married James WILSON (My Family)
Beatty, (male, b. Mar 14, 1832,
Elizabeth
Mary
Christopher.
(Ref: Ohio Valley Genealogies, By Charles Hanna, 1990; Ref: WILSON
Family Paper's handed down.
This is just a Shot in The Dark, but the Family go's all different
directions once it's in Nottingham, Twp, Moorefield, Harrison Co, Oh.

Thank You for Your Time, and Hope that someone can Help You.
Please have a Great Day as well as a Great Summer

Regards:
Gary D Wilson
PO Box 476
Cambridge, Ohio 43725-0476
The Sarge
""Honor and Courage""


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: [PA-QUAKERS] Harmer brothers, Quakers from Wiltshire to
Pennsylvania in 1682


>
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to establish contact with any Harmer descendants with
> knowledge of their origins. In doing my own Wiltshire research, I have
> come across the family of a likely Quaker, George Harmer, senior,
> tailor, of Rodbourne Cheney, Wilts., described in the parish register
> there as "an heretick" by Nicholas Adee, the rector, when his son
> Samuel, "of ripe years", was brought to be baptised in 1678. Samuel's
> mother was Edith. During the Commonwealth, the births of two sons of
> George Harmer and Edith his wife were registered by the civil register
> (i.e. registrar) in 1654 and 1657, likely because Quakers were
> probably unoffended by the civil authority taking note of their
> births. Samuel, however, was probably born earlier, and only baptised
> so that he could be married in the Church of England after the
Restoration.
> His
> daughter is baptised the next year.
>
> Now, I find that two brothers, both Quaker, went out from Wiltshire to
> Pennsylvania after 5 June 1682 according to the following website,
> http://www.geocities.com/roudeng/Harmer.html (from which I take this
> snippet), viz.:
>
> "William & George Harmer were brothers who left England for
> Pennsylvania after June 5, 1682. William (born ca. 1660-1731/32,
> Chalwily, Wiltshire,
> England) was the elder of the two and was a tailor by occupation. His
> certificate of removal bears the previously cited date and was granted
> by the Purton Friends Monthly Meeting in Wiltshire, England. After his
> arrival in Pennsylvania, William joined the Abington Meeting but did
> not maintain active membership. He returned to his native England
> where he married sometime after September 7, 1685, Ruth Skeat (born
> in Chalwily, Wiltshire, England, daughter of John Skeat) at Foxham,
> Wiltshire. He and his bride returned to Pennsylvania. William Harmer
> requested reinstatement at the Abington Meeting on September 30, 1706.
> In 1720/21 he and Ruth and two sons removed to the Gwynedd Monthly
> Meeting. He died Nov. 26, 1731, in Upper Dublin Twp., Philadelphia,
> PA, and is buried at the Friends Burial Ground at Philadelphia. Ruth
> (Skeat) Harmer died Dec. 25, 1748 and is buried at the same location.
> William's will mentions 8 children but only Ruth and John by name.
> Other children of this couple have been identified as Elizabeth who
> married Joseph Townsend, Jane who married John Bradfield and William
> who married Eleanor Richardson. Our connection to this family is
> through Jane Harmer. I have seen this family pedigree extending back
> to 1537, but after checking it out, I found a couple of discrepancies
> to make me unsure of the accuracy of it. If anyone finds any proof of
> the ancestors of William and George Harmer, please contact me."
>
> I have tried without success to contact the author of the website and
> wonder if there isn't someone connected with this family on this list?
>
> One of the two sons of George Harmer, senior, tailor, of Rodbourne
> Cheney, Wilts., and his wife Edith, civilly registered was George
> Harmer, born 8 Nov. 1657 (Old Style). He is likely to be one of the 2
> brothers who went to Pennsylvania in 1682. There is no such place as
> Chalwily in Wiltshire, and I believe that it is a garbling of the
> second element of Rodbourne Cheney, which was spelt in quite a variety
> of ways until settling on the modern "correct" form.
>
> I would be grateful for any assistance or contact.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Richard
>
> Richard Carruthers, M.A. (Oxon.)
> OPC for Purton and Rodbourne Cheney, Wilts.
> Conducting a one-place study of Purton, Wilts., with interest in
> adjacent or nearby parishes, such as Rodbourne Cheney.
>
>
>
>
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