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From: "Michael Scott" <>
Subject: Re: [OEL] occupations at the turn of the 18/19 th centuries
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:46:20 +0100
In-Reply-To: <006201c77afe$0ed7bd10$18d0fc3e@YOUR8F70B4083A>


Hi Audrey,

I checked various directories from the 1780s 1790s, and a few post office
directories from 1810s and 1820s. Nothing came up, I'm afraid. There were
some other Hawk(e)s, but none in Bethnal Green. I also checked bankruptcy
records without success.


There are ways of proceeding, but it can be quite time consuming.
One option is to check for insurance records on www.a2a.org.uk (many of the
early C19 Sun fire insurance records have been indexed by the Guildhall).

If they didn't own the property (which seems likely), do you have an exact
street address? If the property was insured at the time they were living
there, it may be worth looking at the policy. Policies often list the
occupants of the insured property, and sometimes their occupation.

If you don't have the exact address, you may also be able to trace it
through land tax records -- the LMA has a fairly complete set for Bethnal
Green 1780-1832. Tax records can sometimes throw up interesting additional
information.

best,
Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: norman lee [mailto:]
Sent: 10 April 2007 00:21
To: Michael Scott; OEL
Subject: Re: [OEL] occupations at the turn of the 18/19 th centuries


Hello Michael.

Yes, I do know that the London directories were amongst the first in the
country and if you can possibly look at them this man may just be in one of
them. He is John Richard Hawkes (can't remember if he is spelled that way or
he may be down as Hawks - spelling, as you know, didn't matter so much
then). His son was born in 1801 in Bethnal Green, Middlesex (later to become
part of greater London). The baptism is registered. His son later appears to
have become a mariner and then, at 29, an early joiner of the Metropolitan
Police Force. By the time his children were being registered, there was a
great deal of information on the families and very valuable they are.

Audrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Scott" <>
To: "OEL" <>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [OEL] occupations at the turn of the 18/19 th centuries


> There are fairly good trade directories for London -- particularly for
> merchants -- going back to the 1770s. I have access to several, and would
> be
> happy to check them if you would like to give the name and address.
>
> best,
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:]On Behalf Of norman lee
> Sent: 08 April 2007 16:51
> To:
> Subject: [OEL] occupations at the turn of the 18/19 th centuries
>
>
> Dear Listers
>
> I am wondering if you have any ideas of how I can find the occupation of a
> man mentioned as the father of a child baptised in 1801? As it was before
> most trade directories and also out of the period when the census could
> help, I am at a bit of a loss as to how I would find this information. He
> was living in Bethnal Green and I have a book that suggests the main
> occupations followed by the population there then but that doesn't tell me
> with any certainty what this man would have been doing. He must have sent
> his son to school as 29 years later his son joined the metropolitan police
> force. The qualifications for joining included an ability to read and
> write.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Audrey Lee
>
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