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From: "Karlton Douglas" <>
Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Melungeon DNA Study Results
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:56:37 -0400
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Re: the article: I think you misunderstood me about the article--I was
talking about My Article, my own beliefs based on research I have done:
Remnant Indians:
http://www.angelfire.com/tn3/youngeagle/index2.html

I was not talking about any changes for, or specifically about changing the
News Release of the MHA about DNA results.
Sincerely, Karlton

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Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Melungeon DNA Study Results


> I oppose very strongly the definitions of "hard liner". I have always
> acknowledged that Melungeons are capable of having multiple ethnic DNA.
But
> I maintain that Melungeons ORIGINATED in the early to mid 17th century in
> tidewater Virginia as northern Europeans intermarried with West Africans
and
> native Americans of the Atlantic seaboard of the eastern US. I have
> repeatedly and constantly said that Turks, Portuguese, Spaniards, or
anyone
> else under the sun could have LATER merged with these Melungeon ancestors.
> If I am being lumped as a "hard liner" I protest.
>
> Furthermore, reading the groundless conjecture in this AP story about
Santa
> Elena I must take issue with such comments as "I can honestly say I would
not
> change anything in the article except for including that the females that
> were in those Spanish colonies must have contributed to the mix." There
> remains absolutely positively NO direct genealogical or DNA descent
between
> an individual of Santa Elena or other pre 1607 Spanish colony and a single
> Melungeon.
>
> Furthermore I would like Dennis to clarify what he means when he talks
about
> hardliners and "about Melungeon origins." What time span does he mean by
> "origins"? Does he mean a general time before 1800 during which
Melungeons
> originated, or does he mean before 1607? I most strongly disagree that
> anyone other than American Indian ancestors of Melungeons lived in
Virginia
> or the surrounding area before the Jamestown settlement in 1607. The only
> extremely remote possibility of such non-Indian intermarriage prior to
> Jamestown are the English survivors of Roanoke and I believe I effectively
> rule out that possibility in my new research.
>
> Tim Hashaw
>
> In a message dated 6/20/02 1:15:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
>
> > I believe the hard-liners are the ones who deny that there were
Euro-Asians
> > on the northern continent before the Anglo-Irish arrived. The ones that
> > deny the Melungeons existence before 1604.
> > EdrieAnne
> >
> > > Hello Dennis - Please elaborate as to who the hard-liners are that Mr.
> > > Winkler mentioned to you privately. Does he mean the Newmans
> > Ridge/Hancock
> > > Co. people who claim the name Melungeon as theirs alone? Or is there
> > another
> > > hard-line group re: Melungeon origins. Thanks you. Rick
>
>
> > I have yet to put aside the time to read everything more thoroughly,
> > but it appears--at first glance--that all of us were "right"--those
> > who believe the Melungeons are tri-racial (white, Black, Indian), as
> > well as those who believe there is additional Mediterranean (Turkish)
> > and other eastern (Indian, as in from India) ancestry!
>
> It was never an either/or situation. As Wayne Winkler remarked to me
> privately, the only people left out in the cold by the DNA results are the
> hard-liners with
> > I have yet to put aside the time to read everything more thoroughly,
> > but it appears--at first glance--that all of us were "right"--those
> > who believe the Melungeons are tri-racial (white, Black, Indian), as
> > well as those who believe there is additional Mediterranean (Turkish)
> > and other eastern (Indian, as in from India) ancestry!
>
> It was never an either/or situation. As Wayne Winkler remarked to me
> privately, the only people left out in the cold by the DNA results are the
> hard-liners with really narrow ideas about Melungeon origins.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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