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Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Melungeon DNA Study Results
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:42:12 EDT


I oppose very strongly the definitions of "hard liner". I have always
acknowledged that Melungeons are capable of having multiple ethnic DNA. But
I maintain that Melungeons ORIGINATED in the early to mid 17th century in
tidewater Virginia as northern Europeans intermarried with West Africans and
native Americans of the Atlantic seaboard of the eastern US. I have
repeatedly and constantly said that Turks, Portuguese, Spaniards, or anyone
else under the sun could have LATER merged with these Melungeon ancestors.
If I am being lumped as a "hard liner" I protest.

Furthermore, reading the groundless conjecture in this AP story about Santa
Elena I must take issue with such comments as "I can honestly say I would not
change anything in the article except for including that the females that
were in those Spanish colonies must have contributed to the mix." There
remains absolutely positively NO direct genealogical or DNA descent between
an individual of Santa Elena or other pre 1607 Spanish colony and a single
Melungeon.

Furthermore I would like Dennis to clarify what he means when he talks about
hardliners and "about Melungeon origins." What time span does he mean by
"origins"? Does he mean a general time before 1800 during which Melungeons
originated, or does he mean before 1607? I most strongly disagree that
anyone other than American Indian ancestors of Melungeons lived in Virginia
or the surrounding area before the Jamestown settlement in 1607. The only
extremely remote possibility of such non-Indian intermarriage prior to
Jamestown are the English survivors of Roanoke and I believe I effectively
rule out that possibility in my new research.

Tim Hashaw

In a message dated 6/20/02 1:15:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
writes:


> I believe the hard-liners are the ones who deny that there were Euro-Asians
> on the northern continent before the Anglo-Irish arrived. The ones that
> deny the Melungeons existence before 1604.
> EdrieAnne
>
> > Hello Dennis - Please elaborate as to who the hard-liners are that Mr.
> > Winkler mentioned to you privately. Does he mean the Newmans
> Ridge/Hancock
> > Co. people who claim the name Melungeon as theirs alone? Or is there
> another
> > hard-line group re: Melungeon origins. Thanks you. Rick


> I have yet to put aside the time to read everything more thoroughly,
> but it appears--at first glance--that all of us were "right"--those
> who believe the Melungeons are tri-racial (white, Black, Indian), as
> well as those who believe there is additional Mediterranean (Turkish)
> and other eastern (Indian, as in from India) ancestry!

It was never an either/or situation. As Wayne Winkler remarked to me
privately, the only people left out in the cold by the DNA results are the
hard-liners with
> I have yet to put aside the time to read everything more thoroughly,
> but it appears--at first glance--that all of us were "right"--those
> who believe the Melungeons are tri-racial (white, Black, Indian), as
> well as those who believe there is additional Mediterranean (Turkish)
> and other eastern (Indian, as in from India) ancestry!

It was never an either/or situation. As Wayne Winkler remarked to me
privately, the only people left out in the cold by the DNA results are the
hard-liners with really narrow ideas about Melungeon origins.





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