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From: "Sylvia Havens" <>
Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] HUNGARY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:09:58 -0800
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Hi, finally found the information. It is now Rijeka, Slovenia. My father
left Fiume in 1923 on the President Wilson. Hope this helps.

Sylvia

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> What country is Fiume in??? My father left from there to come to the USA.
>
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>>Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: Pittsburgh ()
>> 2. Re: HUNGARY Digest: books about emigration
>> ()
>> 3. Re: Fiume (Marlo50)
>> 4. MATYI and KISS -- other port of entry? (marys1015)
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:33:50 -0500
>>From: "" <>
>>Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] Pittsburgh
>>To:
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>>
>>To others who might be doing research that includes Allegheny City or
>>Pittsburgh PA, check out the Heinz Museum website.
>>
>>They have a few City Directory links, as well as street maps and an
>>AWESOME
>>on line photo collection that gives a real "feel" for life in the "times".
>>
>>A valuable resource for anyone doing research around Pittsburgh, Allegheny
>>County PA or even Southwestern PA.
>>
>>Elaine
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Julianne Brazina <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Date: 1/1/2008 11:25:57 AM
>>> Subject: [HUNGARY] Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> Hi Elaine and Listers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for the update on Pgh, I thought that might be it! No, I have
>>not
>>> search any archives in Pittsburgh and it is unlikely that I'll have an
>>> opportunity to do that.
>>>
>>> I presently live in Florida but visit eastern PA and NJ during the
>>> summer
>>> months. I am not aware of any ancestors that settled in Pittsburgh area
>>but
>>> did have some that worked in the coal mines in Johnstown area. Your
>>> suggestions are appreciated. Regards, Juliana
>>>
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:04:53 -0500
>>From:
>>Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] HUNGARY Digest: books about emigration
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>>In the "close, but no cigar" category, there is "Hunky: The Immigrant
>>Experience" by Nick Karas, a relative of mine:
>>http://www.amazon.com/Hunky-Experience-Nicholas-Stevensson-Karas/dp/1414030371/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199220954&sr=8-1
>>I say "no cigar" because it's about emigration from Hungary not by ethnic
>>Hungarians, but by Rusyns (aka Ruthenians or Rusnaks), East Slavs who
>>lived
>>in the "Slovak lands" part of Hungary. I think the Hungarian word for
>>this
>>ethnic group was ruszin or rut?n. Still, there is probably some overlap,
>>the ship voyage across the ocean, the prejudice encountered in America,
>>the
>>unfulfilled dreams, lost loves, etc.
>>
>>Incidentally, I believe my ancestors & relatives left via German or Dutch
>>ports thru the 1920s.
>>
>>- Elaine E.
>>
>>
>>On Jan 1, 2008 3:35 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:50:45 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Jamene Farrell <>
>>> Subject: [HUNGARY] Fiume
>>> To: Hungary <>
>>> Message-ID: <>
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>>> ...
>>> Also, are there any books or articles that document what the Hungarian
>>> emigration was like at that time? any first hand accounts of the ship
>>> travel, etc?
>>> Thanks, Just trying to re-live it.
>>> Jay Farrell
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>Message: 3
>>Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:09:18 -0500
>>From: "Marlo50" <>
>>Subject: Re: [HUNGARY] Fiume
>>To: <>
>>Message-ID: <007201c84ce4$7bcf0b40$>
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>>I don't know about that. Both my father and mother sailed from Fiume in
>>1907 and 1910 and they came to New York on the same ship.
>>No changing along the way. Marlo
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ann Hearin" <>
>>To: <>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:11 PM
>>Subject: [HUNGARY] Fiume
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It has been suggested to me by an elderly relative that those leaving
>>> from
>>> Fiume left there on smaller boats, only to transfer to a larger boat
>>> later....the reason being that the waters of the Port at Fiume was not
>>> deep enough for the larger ships. Has anyone heard this or able to shed
>>> further light on this subject?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ann Yanhko Hearin
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>>Message: 4
>>Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:20:33 -0500
>>From: "marys1015" <>
>>Subject: [HUNGARY] MATYI and KISS -- other port of entry?
>>To: <>
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>>Hi Jay and List,
>>
>>MATYI Marta, 15 (born about 1897), single, arrived Ellis Island 13 Dec.
>>1906
>>on the ship Pannonia. Her sponsor was her Uncle KISS Jozsef in Johnstown,
>>Pennsylvania. This record shows she came from the village "Karasz,
>>Hungary."
>>As far as I can find, "Karasz" is in southern Hungary. I looked at the
>>original manifest of her trip. It clearly reads KArAsz as her last
>>residence. There were 8 people on this page from KArAsz, Hungary. Four
>>people (TOTH Jozsef, 27; NAGY Istvan, 33; MANDOKI Gregory, 29 and MATYI
>>Marta, 15) were going to Johnstown, PA. Four single girls, ages 15 to 23
>>(OROSZ Therezia, KOVACS Erzsebet, HORVATH Maria, and IVAN Roza), also from
>>Karasz, were going to New Jersey. It's nice to know, even though your
>>grandmother didn't travel with her immediate family, at least she traveled
>>to the United States with friends.
>>
>>Your first post asked why would she travel from way up north near Ukraine
>>to
>>Fuime? This leads me to believe she came from present day Slovakia. There
>>was a village in upper Hungary by the name of Keresz, Ung Megye. This
>>maybe
>>the village she lived in. It's not uncommon to find a misspelling of a
>>village name on the ship manifest.
>>
>>The village Keresz, Ung Megye, Hungary has been know by many names. It was
>>changed to Krizany, Czechoslovakia; then it became Mokca-Krisov after
>>1947.
>>In 1960, it was joined with Mogyoros to form Krisovksa Lieskova. Today
>>it's
>>in the Slovak Republic. There are Reformed Church records (filmed by the
>>Mormons) for the years 1794-1887 available for review. Even if her family
>>wasn't a member of the Reformed Church, her family records may still be in
>>their books.
>>
>>Go to this site, type Krizany in the search place. This will give you
>>information on what records are available. You can order and review them
>>at
>>your nearest Mormon Family History Center.
>>
>>http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearch&columns=*,0,0
>>
>>The village once called Keresz is about 4 miles northeast of Vojany and
>>about 5 miles northwest of Velke Kapusany. My KIS, KISS, KISH Istvan's
>>wife
>>and daughters came from Nagy Szelmencz, a village about 5 miles southeast
>>of
>>Velke Kapusany. It was divided by the Slovak Ukraine border. I found my
>>Stefan KISH in the Ellis Island records finally!!! He came under the name
>>KIS Istvan, 22 Feb 1905, on the ship Blucher out of Hamburg. His last
>>residence is questionable on the manifest. There are ditto marks
>>indicating
>>he came from the village the man above him came from ... that village is
>>"Szolonna" as I read it. The name below him has a place of residence (as I
>>read it) "K. Szaleme.." or as ancestry.com has it Szelmenesz. I'm pretty
>>sure this is my KIS Istvan (Stefan KISH) because he had a deformed 2nd
>>finger on his right hand. The deformity is mentioned on the ship manifest
>>and on his World War I draft registration. If he came from Kis Szelmencz,
>>the church records are not available ... it's now in the Ukraine.
>>
>> I'll keep an eye out for your KISS Jozsef. Do you know KISS Josef's
>>approximate year of birth? It would be helpful in locating him. Perhaps he
>>was from the same village as your grandmother MATYI Marta. If he married
>>someone from the old country, she'd be in the immigration records. Have
>>you
>>tried to find her? This might lead to his record.
>>
>>The Pannonia was a large ship. It carried 1,200 people; 40 in first class
>>and 800 in third class. Pirates could have attacked it, anything is
>>possible! :-)) Try a Google search on the ship Pannonia, you never know
>>what
>>will turn up! Good luck in your research.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Mary Nagy
>>-------------------------------
>>Hello List,
>>My grandmother, Martha Matyi, told me that when she came to the US in 1906
>>at the age of 14 she came all alone. She was the only girl in her family
>>and
>>her father was an army officer and "he knew the war was coming" she'd say,
>>and so they sent her to Johnstown to live with an uncle, Joseph Kiss, and
>>his wife, and work as a domestic. She said she went by train to get to the
>>boat, and that the boat was "held up by pirates" near Italy, where these
>>men
>>came on board and stole everyone's valuables. She said the rip took a very
>>long time and she always remembered the Rock of Gibraltor. A few years ago
>>my aunt told me that it took two or three attempts to get her on the ship
>>because she kept running away and didn't want to leave her family. She is
>>documented at Elllis Island. Her ship was a sister ship to the Titanic.
>>Any way to find out about her father being an army officer?` Or the
>>pirates
>>attack? I was raised by my grandparents and she had no reason to make this
>>story up.Any ideas?
>>Jay Farrell
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jamene Farrell" <>
>>To: "Hungary" <>
>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:16 PM
>>Subject: [HUNGARY] other port of entry?
>>
>>
>>Dear List,
>>I am looking for a Jozsef Kiss who sponsored and house my grandmother in
>>Johnstown, PA. in 1906. He was her mother's brother. She came through
>>Ellis
>>Island in 1906 via Fuime (Trieste) from way up north near the Ukraine. If
>>he had a job lined up in Johnstown, would he have come through
>>Philadelphia?
>>I can't seem to have any luck locating this man and I am hoping to find
>>some
>>records with the name of his parents on them.
>>Jay Farrell
>>
>>
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