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From: "Roy Johnson" <>
Subject: RE: [HUNGARY-L] Persistence of Hungarian Identity/Celts and Hungarians
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:16:11 -0600
In-Reply-To: <a1.524d337d.2ed2109f@aol.com>
Marika writes:
<<For a quick read, try this website.
<A
HREF="http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:JrBx2MItWc0J:www.dr-fnlee.org/doc
s6/cl/cl03/cl03.pdf+historical,++tribe,++ancient+%22Scotia%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
">CH. 6. COMMON LAW AMONG THE ANCIENT IRISH AFTER B.C. 2600</A>
I checked the site and I would point out that this interpretation requires a
belief in the literal accuracy of the Old Testament stories of Adam and Eve,
the Tower of Babel, Noah, etc. Therefore it could only be accepted as
accurate by conservative or evangelical Christians.
This is not a criticism of anyone's belief, but to be accepted historically,
it has to be based on neutral sources and scientific studies that those
outside that belief also accept. It is dangerous to begin with religious
belief and then fit history or science into that belief. Galileo was
repudiated in the Middle Ages because his scientific findings did not fit
the belief of the time that the Old Testament speaks of the earth as the
center of God's universe.
Not all Christians, much less non Christians, accept the Old Testament as
literally accurate. I find this site to be pseudo-science, based on religion
rather than scientific findings. Although I am religious, I reject this
approach.
I believe DNA studies offer the best method to tell who is connected with
whom in the ancient past. Already they are revolutionizing some thinking,
and even having theological impact. Mormons, I understand, are changing
their belief based on their Book of Mormon that the Native Americans descend
from the "lost tribe" of Israel. DNA studies disprove that hypothesis.
I have been unable to find any independent studies, either DNA or
linguistic, which makes this link between Magyars and either Scots or Irish.
Roy Johnson
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Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Persistence of Hungarian Identity/Celts and
Hungarians
Dear List,
Thank you Janet Kozlay for this most interesting site regarding Burgenland.
It is so well written. My forage into Burgenland in the 1980s was to see
Franz
Liszt's house in Raiding, Austria. It was in a state of disrepair in those
times. Anyone been there recently?
On another related subject:
My email to the List of 11/16 bounced back to me for some reason? It was in
reply to Elizabeth's query, same date:
>A while ago, I read either on this list or on a website recommended by
someone on list, that Hungarians may be descended from the Celts.
Does anyone have any information?<
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Since we are talking about Hungarian Identity once more, here goes my
comment:
A long time ago I wrote our list that Hungarians are the most prolific
bagpipe players , next to the Scots. When I had mentioned this to a friend
who has
spent the better part of her life researching ethnic identities, doing
soujourns in Europe, she said, "of course, Hungarians and Scots are from the
same
original Jewish tribes."
I wrote her about our List's current conversation, and here is her reply:
>To answer your question, I will provide YOU a question. Who were the
Scoti
or Scotti or Scotia (pick whichever) that populated that land. Who was
Scotia?
For a quick read, try this website.
<A
HREF="http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:JrBx2MItWc0J:www.dr-fnlee.org/doc
s6/cl/cl03/cl03.pdf+historical,++tribe,++ancient+%22Scotia%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
">CH. 6. COMMON LAW AMONG THE ANCIENT IRISH AFTER B.C. 2600</A>
Not that ancient Ireland is what you asked about but the historical record
of
migrations and identifications of peoples listed in this are correct. It's
an easy read.<
She has ordered more information for me on this subject.
Marika
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