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From: "Suzanne J" <>
Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Two Cents worth of definitions
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 18:47:41 -0700


Hi Joe :-)

It is always so nice to hear from you! You know, over the years I have
learned that it is all those "2 cents'" that add up to "2 bits" (25 cents),
that finally begin to give me something solid to work with. So if and when
any of you reading this have two cents, please, please, toss it into "our"
hat. It's amazing what can be learned from two cents (except maybe the
csrds).

Thanks for the definitions, Joe. I really do appreciate them.

Suzanne


>From: "Joseph M. Nemeth" <>
>Reply-To: "Joseph M. Nemeth" <>
>To:
>Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Legyesbenge and Spegimalour Hungary?? Help Please!
>Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:06:17 -0700
>
>Hello Suzanne,
>
>I just have to put my 2 cents worth in here. First "puszta" means
>deserted,
>abandoned, uninhibited but in the names of places meant that it was in an
>area with no trees like in the Hungarian "Alfld" (low land). "Tanya"
>means (small) farm, (ranch in US). "Csrda" means tavern or inn, and
>"csrds" is a Hungarian (one of my favored) dance.
>
>Joseph M. Nemeth
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Suzanne J" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 10:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Legyesbenge and Spegimalour Hungary?? Help Please!
>
>
> > Hi Geza and Marge,
> >
> > While none of my book or microfilm/fische resources (and I have quite a
>few)
> > show Szegi as Szegimalom, I am in agreement with you that this is most
> > likely the place being sought. In fact, when I looked at the manifest
>and
> > then my Hungarian Village Finder CD, my first inclination was Szegi,
>which
> > of course was much closer to Legyesbenye and would have made more sense,
>but
> > I could only find other references to it as Pusztaszegi and Bodrogszegi,
>so
> > without the malom, I did not think it was the correct place. Then, when
>I
> > found Szekimalom, I most likely mistakenly, assumed it to be the right
>place
> > even though it was a pretty fair distance from Legyesbenye.
> >
> > This morning I looked at the 1910 Gonczy map available at:
> > http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/gonczy/zemplen.htm
> > and although a bit difficult to see, if you look in Tokaj Jrs between
> > Kisfalud and Segilong, you will indeed see Szegi malom :-) All other
>maps
> > and resources I have only show it as Szegi.
> >
> > So Marge, I would definitely go with Geza's findings since the majority
>of
> > married immigrants were from the same village or nearby villages, or at
> > least within a pretty close distance. Here is the information from my
> > Hungarian Village Finder for Szegi or Szegimalom:
> >
> > It was associated with the village, Bodrogkisfalud, in Tokaj Jrs,
>Zempln
> > Megye, however there were no churches in this village. All
>denominations
> > went to the nearby settlement, Bodrogkeresztur, which had Greek
>Catholic,
> > Jewish, Reformed, and Roman Catholic houses of worship. AND you are in
> > luck, ALL of those records are available via the LDS Family History
>Library:
> >
>http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?dis
>play=
> >
>localitydetails&subject=78508&subject_disp=Hungary,_Zempln&columns=*,180,0
> >
> > The alphabetization of the places names is a bit helter-skelter but
> > Bodrogkeresztur is there, just scroll down a bit :-)
> >
> > Now Geza or anyone else reading this who might have an answer, I have a
> > question for you. Although I do not speak or read Hungarian I have used
> > Pallas Lexicon in search of place names many times, with and without
> > success. My question is why do you think it has some of the very
>smallest
> > places such as Szegimalom but neglects to include many of the much
>larger
> > pustas, tanyas, csardas, etc.? This has puzzled me for quite awhile and
>I
> > have asked a few other people including a few at the SLC Family History
> > Library, but never have received an answer that made much sense :-) Just
> > curious.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Suzannej
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Geza Szucs" <>
> > >To: "Suzanne J" <>
> > >Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] Legyesbenge and Spegimalour Hungary?? Help
>Please!
> > >Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:16:40 -0400
> > >
> > >There is a Szegimalom (Szegi) not far from Legyesbenye in Tokaj Jaras.
> > >Check Pallas Lexicon too on the net. :)
> > > Geza
> >
> >
> >
> >
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