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From: "Joseph M. Nemeth" <>
Subject: Fw: [HUNGARY-L] WWII deceased soldiers site and translations
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:41:11 -0500



-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph M. Nemeth <>
To: Suzanne J <>
Date: Thursday, June 01, 2000 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [HUNGARY-L] WWII deceased soldiers site and translations


>Just one more translation:
>
>The "kmsz" is the abbreviation of "ke'nyszer munka szolga'lat" = "forced
>labor service' (I am not sure of the exact wording), but all the Jewish and
>other "undesirable" elements were taken in to labor battalions and were
made
>to do the dirty and most dangerous (like bomb disposal, etc.) work for the
>army.
>
>Joseph
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Suzanne J <>
>To: <>
>Date: Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:51 PM
>Subject: [HUNGARY-L] WWII deceased soldiers site and translations
>
>
>Hi Listers,
>
>Back in February, Joseph J. Jarfas posted these translations for some of
the
>ranks listed in the list of dead WWII Soldiers. Hopefully, he does not
>mind, but I have taken the liberty of reposting these for those who did not
>get them the first time, or those new to the list and visiting the WWII
site
>for the first time.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph J Jarfas <>
>To: <>
>Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:14 AM
>Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Ranks listed ... by no means all!
>
>
>>Here is a short list of the ranks listed on the website Bogárdi
>>discovered ...
>>
>>c. --
>>hdp. --
>>kmsz. --
>>t. -- tartalék -- reservist
>>tsz. --
>>cső. tőrm. -- csendőr törzsőrmester -- gendarme sergeant-major
>>ezds. -- ezredes -- colonel
>>fhdgy. -- főhadnagy -- lieutenant
>>hdgy. -- hadnagy -- second lieutenant
>>honv. -- honvéd -- soldier
>>őrm. -- őrmester -- sergeant
>>őrv. -- őrvezető -- private first class
>>szds. -- százados -- captain
>>szkv. -- szakaszvezető -- lance sergeant
>>tiz. -- tizedes -- corporal
>>zls. -- zászlós -- ensign - flag bearer
>>
>
>The column translations, according to a post by Hungarian historian, and
>original informer regarding the site, Janos Bogardi, aka Radix,
>http://www.bogardi.com/gen/index.shtml
>are:
>"Colums included are: name, rank, date of birth, mother's name, place
>of residence."
>
>Finally, Joseph J. Jarfas was able to contact one of the authors of the
>book, and had posted this message to the Hungary-L site:
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph J Jarfas <>
>To: <>
>Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 3:07 PM
>Subject: [HUNGARY-L] Update on "Béke poraikra"
>
>
>>To all, who searched the list of WW II deceased Hungarians (on
>>the Eastern front):
>>
>>http://www.netlap.hu/vasarnapiujsag/hosok.htm
>>
>> Dr. János Bus answered my note sent to the paper (who is one
>>of the authors of the book):
>>
>> The letters preceding the surnames were used to distinguish
>>families from the same place, that is, town or village.
>>
>> The military rank abbreviations (and their full written
>>versions) will be published at the same web site commencing the
>>13th of this month. He also offered to give me the ranks in
>>German if I call him in his office.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>--
>>Joseph J Jarfas
>>Equinunk, PA - USA
>>
>>
>
>Since I do not read or speak Hungarian, I can't say for sure, but I have
not
>seen anything on the website which even remotely suggests that the rank
>abbreviations were published. Perhaps Joseph would be kind enough to take
a
>look again and let us know :-)
>
>Regards to all,
>Suzannej
>Hungary-L and Hungary-D listowner
>HungaryGenWeb Hostess and webmaster
>
>
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