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From: "Newell" <>
Subject: Re: [HWE] HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 25-26
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:34:25 +1100
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Dear Elizabeth, Hanne, Ken and Tony,

Thank you all so much for your very informative information, I have been
away for a few days and arrived back home to find your interesting
discussion re: 0 Negative Blood group.

I must say to you all that Tony, is right I was, grasping at straws here.
I have been working on my family history now for 20 years and have not been
able to find the birth of my George Rogers who married Jane Leverton 03 APR
1785 Belstone, Devon, England.

I had noticed on the I.G.I. a few George Roger births from 1600's through
to the 1700's in France and wondered whether I should begin looking in
Huguenot church registers in England, for a Rogers connection. We as a
family have spent so much money on private researchers but to no avail, they
have all been well worth paying however, I can only accept Primary Sources
which none can be found for our George Rogers, before his marriage to Jane
Leverton1785. I have an Associate Diploma in Australian History so I would
never look at following DNA as a research source for my Family History. So,
you can all relax, I get your point you are absolutly right.

However, I do find the 0 Negative factor interesting as in the past the
majority of 0
Negative people living in England, resided in the Devon, which is where the
majority of Huguenot Churches were. It was just a thought.

I had read that more than fifty percent of the French Basque population from
around the French Pyrenees were Rh 0 negative, as opposed to sixteen percent
for the rest of Europe. I then began to wonder were my Rogers family from
the French Pyrenees, were they Huguenots as, if, they, needed to flee France
Southern England, would have been the quickest escape.

"Huguenots and Walloons in Devon"
"The Huguenots and Walloons were, respectively, French and Fleming-speaking
protestant refugees from persecution on mainland Europe. According to
Peskett: "Immigration began in the 16th century, when 'Flemings' figure in
the registers of Dartmouth St Saviour, and Walloons came to Plymouth. . .
However these earlier immigrants were few and rapidly assimilated into the
local communities and the Anglican Church. Those which are particularly
relevant in the local context were French refugees from the persecution
before and after the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, 1685, at which
period the Devon congregations were formed.". He goes on to give brief
accounts of the history of congregations in Barnstaple, and Bideford,
Dartmouth, Exeter, and Plymouth and East Stonehouse. Only in the case of
Plymouth and East Stonehouse are there extant pre-1840 registers."

"Dartmouth: A congregation formed in 1686/88 but split into separate
nonconformist and conformist congregations in 1711. No separate registers
exist for either; the conformist congregation used and appears to have
registered at St Saviour parish. The nonconformist congregation joined the
Presbyterians and is at recorded, at least in part, from 1726 in their
registers. Both congregations had ceased to exist by 1750."
Reference: GENUKI website Devon, England.


George Rogers wife, Jane Leverton was baptised in St Petrox, Dartmouth,
Devon, in 1760. Jane Leverton had ancestors who were married in St Saviour,
Dartmouth.

I have found all of your responces and comments overwhelming and much
appreciated and I must thank you all again for taking the time to respond to
my
posting. I must once again thank you for your knowledge, as you are all no
doubt
aware that I know very little about Huguenot History however, willing to
learn.

Kind regards
Rhonda Newell (nee Rogers)
New South Wales.
Australia.


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>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 25 (Ken Baldry)
> 2. Re: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 25
> (fuller.tony)
> 3. Re: HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 25
> (Hanne Thorup Koudal)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:15:43 +0000
> From: Ken Baldry <>
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> There is no reason why people of Basque descent should not have become
> Huguenots. My Mother's family did. Henri IV was King of Navarre, which
> included the French part of Euskal Herria & he was very influential. But
> it was Luther's disciple Philip Melancthon who converted my ancestor
> before this period. This was a very febrile period & anything could
> happen.
> Best wishes,
> Ken (Delaforce) Baldry
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:49:16 -0000
> From: "fuller.tony" <>
> Subject: Re: [HWE] HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 25
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> Hi folks
>
> Ken Baldry wrote:
>
> "There is no reason why people of Basque descent should not have become
> Huguenots. My Mother's family did. Henri IV was King of Navarre, which
> included the French part of Euskal Herria & he was very influential. But
> it
> was Luther's disciple Philip Melancthon who converted my ancestor before
> this period. This was a very febrile period & anything could happen."
>
> Nobody was saying that they didn't become Protestantes EVER but using DNA
> in
> a shotgun approach isn't the way to prove it. As a proportion of the
> population Basques - Spanish at that time - did not convert to
> Protestantisme, there was not the mass movement to Protestantisme in
> Basque/French Spain that there was in France or Germany. Those that did
> tended to be the French influenced members of the Basque community and
> even
> then Henri de Navarre was willing to let the Spanish part of his domain go
> to Spain if the Spanish King had done what he wanted him to do.
>
> Melancthon was never a Calvinist, in fact he had serious ideological
> differences with Calvin. He remained a Lutheran, body and soul until his
> dying day and I can't find any evidence of his ever having a mission to
> the
> Basque country, it seems in fact that he hardly ever left Germany where
> the
> Lutherans had agreed with the Calvinists that they would work and be the
> dominant Church.
>
> Being absolutely purist about your ancestors Ken, if they were Lutherans,
> they may have been Reformation Protestantes but certainly were not
> Huguenots
> as only Calvinists were Huguenot.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony Fuller
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:44:22 +0100
> From: "Hanne Thorup Koudal" <>
> Subject: Re: [HWE] HUGUENOTS-WALLOONS-EUROPE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 25
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> Hi Ken Baldry and Tony Fuller
>
>
>
> Strassbourg (Jean Calvin) was in connection with Philip Melanchton
> (1497-1560), but was Melanchton in connection with people of Basque
> descent?
> I can only tell, what I have read about Melanchton and Calvin and that
> they
> have discussed reforms, but that does not mean, that they agreed in
> details.
> I colud not find Basque people in this books about Strassbourg.
>
>
>
> Jean Calvin was living in Strassbourg from July 1538 untill spring 1541
> and
> in the end of the summer 1538 he founded the first Welsh church, wich
> existed until 1564. In Strassburg the name Welsh was used identical to
> Calvinistic even though it ment stranger, speaking French or a Roman
> language similar to French (Waloon) or Swiss-French: F.ex. newcomers from
> Savoy, The Spanish Netherlands and Lorraine.[1] From 1545 until 1563 the
> church used was Andreaschurch. The 20. og February 1577 the Lutheran
> conceil
> forbit "ecclesia gallicana", that is the French reformed church in
> Strassbourg. In the area around was alternatives f.ex. in Bischweiler
> (from
> 1654 Wolfisheim).[2]
>
>
>
> In 1561 the French and Flemish church was closed by the magistrat, and the
> next year some people left Strassbourg and founded a assembly in
> Frankenthal
> in Palatinate. 1564 marks the end of a time, where many reformed were
> livning close to Rhine, and the year also marks Jean Calvins death. His
> influence in Strassbourg had been very big, and he was actively
> communicating with other reformist among others Philip Melanchthon from
> Wittenberg.
>
> The reform in Strassbourg wa young and had many different shades of
> colours,
> there were many discussions about, wich form a reformed church should
> have.
>
> Until 1544 most of the refugies were individual refugies, and refugies
> from
> groups under pressure. The public did not fly for war at that time.
>
> After 1544 the persecution of religious disscendants were more intensively
> performed in several places: The Netherlands, Lorraine and later in
> France,
> and through Strassbourg and Frankfurt came 1500 and 2000 refugies. Lster
> the
> duke of Alba 1567 came to The Spanish Netherlands and in 1572 Batholomaeus
> in France, which led to more foreign churches at the Rhine, Palatinate and
> Alsace. [3]
>
> It is very evident, that the ealy strangers came to Strassbourg because of
> religion. The welsch people in Strassbourg were Waloons and people from
> Lorraine and Savoyen. But some came also from German areas: Baden,
> Wurtemberg and Bayern. At other times people arrived from Pays Messin
> around
> Metz in1543, 1546, 1552 and 1559, from Paris i n1557, from Champagne in
> 1562-1563, and a big lot of people arrived from England in the years
> 1554-1558.[4]
>
> Friendly greetings
> Hanne Thorup Koudal
>
>
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>
> [1] Philippe Denis: "Les ?glises d'?trangers en Pays Rh?nans", p. 52
>
> [2] Johannes E. Bischoff: "Lexikon deutscher Hugenotten-Orte", p. 262
>
> [3] Philippe Denis: "Les ?glises d'?tragers en Pays Rh?nans (1538-1564)",
> p.
> 35
>
> [4] Philippe Denis: "Les ?glises d'?tragers en Pays Rh?nans (1538-1564)",
> p.
> 51-55
>
>
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