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From: "Cathy Day" <>
Subject: IGI source: MARTIN and LEFORT - Wait!
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:45:42 +1100
References: <20051104214929.KVYK14324.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@[202.27.184.228]>


Hi Folks,

Wait! There have been a lot of leaping to conclusions in this thread
about the LDS process for putting names on the IGI. Please read this post
and you will find your ancestors, Jeanette.

If you want to find out about the source of any record that is on the
IGI, you click on the "Source Call No" button . In this case, it is
#1042313. When clicked, this will reveal that the source for the IGI entry
was NOT Boyd's at all, but rather a microfilm of original records held at
the Westminster City Library, of the St James Church of England Westminster
1685-1881. Click on the "Parish Registers" link and you will see a reference
to Victoria Library no.: 494/14-47, if you want to see the original paper
copy.

However, you are much better off viewing the microfilm of the original.
Click on the "Film Notes" button and you will find that there are actually
20 microfilms for this parish. Scroll down to #1042313 and you will see that
it contains Baptisms 1863-1881; Marriages 1723-1754; Burials 1723-1754 .

I recommend that you go to your nearest LDS Family History Centre and
view the microfilm record to find your ancestors.

To answer some of the other questions asked: no, the LDS would
transcribe it exactly as it appeared, without abbreviations and without
expansion of abbreviations. Boyd's and Pallott's used abbreviations, but
they would only appear in the IGI if that is how they appeared in the
original.

I hope that this is of use to some of you. If you want to know more
about the LDS and how items get onto the IGI, I am happy to oblige, if the
List Admin thinks it is appropriate.

Good luck,

Cathy Day
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [HWE] Marriage of MARTIN and LEFORT


> Well, this is all adding to my knowledge!! I do know that the IGI isn't to
be relied on as gospel, but I'm in New Zealand, and the originals are not
online or available from the LDS!! I've only just got a credit card and I'm
thinking of having a researcher look for this family, as I suspect most of
their records are at the LMA.
>
> I did a Google search and there seems to be a St James Church Westminster
(or Piccadilly). Perhaps this is the church where the marriage actually took
place. But why did Boyd add his embellishments to his entry?
>
> I do know the couple were married as I have their names from the baptism
of their child, at St Mary Lambeth. I have an address for Gilbert Lefort
from his son's will in 1779 as "Cupers Bridge", which is near Upper Ground
St where the Leforts were barge builders for over 100 years.However, as Tony
says, they haven't always attended their local church and for marriages in
particular the family seems to have crossed the Blackfriars Bridge to London
churches.
>
> Boyd used abbreviations for first names in his list, but the IGI has the
full names. Would they have "extended" the names when they copied them? The
1709 marriage is for an Alexander Le Fort and Mary Watson. Th
>
> Tony, is Elizabeth's baptism a Huguenot one? I know the "Martin" surname
was significant to the family as it was used as a second name for many of
the descendants for at least two or three generations.
>
> Anyway I do appreciate all the help and suggestions.
>
> Regards,
> Jeanette.
> >
> > From: "fuller.tony" <>
> > Date: 2005/11/05 Sat AM 03:30:41 GMT+13:00
> > To: <>,
> > "J.M. de Montalk" <>
> > Subject: Re: [HWE] Marriage of MARTIN and LEFORT
> >
> > Hi Jeanette
> >
> > Oh dear, seems to be one of those days. Quarto Series (QS) are the
Huguenot
> > Church registers which have been transcribed and then published by
members
> > of the Hug Soc of London/GB. The records for the Chapel Royal are in
volume
> > 28.
> >
> > There is no marriage of WATSON and LeFort in the register either. There
is
> > an Anne WATSON but she married a Huguenot cleric, nothing like Lefort
> > though.
> >
> > BUT there are several Anne Watson's married etc at St James',
Clerkenwell,
> > some miles away from the Huguenot Chapel but no Lefort though there are
some
> > Le Huguenot names, not a Lefort.
> >
> > The Anne WATSON that married the cleric came from the parish of St
George's
> > Hanover Square where many Huguenot families lived.
> >
> > Need to understand that the parishes of the Anglican Church were the
places
> > in which the families lived for taxation purposes, that sort of thing.
> > Huguenot/French churches of that time had no parishes and Huguenots and
> > their descendants went to whichever church appealed to them on grounds
of
> > geography, they liked the style of the Minister or Lecturer or they
> > preferred the Liturgy in French or English.
> >
> > Because somebody lives in a parish - St Anne's Soho, St George's Hanover
> > Square, St Leonard's Shoreditch - doesn't mean that they didn't worship
in -
> > say - Threadneedle Street, Chapel Royal or whatever else, that was
solely
> > their preference.
> >
> > Sorry, this is just going to cause more confusion. Baptism of Elizabeth
to
> > follow later.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Tony Fuller
> >
> >
> >
>
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