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From: "Cathy Day" <>
Subject: Re: [HWE] BARBIER Family - Temoignages
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:03:59 +1000
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Tony,

Thanks again for your rapid reply! :-)

You've made the whole tems issue much clearer. Thanks for clearing up
the issue of COLOMME and ST COLOMME. I guess that I don't have much to go on
there. From the sound of it, I should just put the tems aside and
concentrate on actually making a link back to Michel BARBIER.

I am still a little uneasy that there is only a single reference to
Michel BARBIER or Michael BARBER and that is only the recollection of a
granddaughter. What if she had her grandfather's name wrong? He would have
been long dead by the time she entered the French Hospital.

I have the will of Michael BARBER, gentleman of Fetter Lane, who died in
1782, but it frustratingly refers to his "loving wife" and his "devoted
children" without actually naming them!

In 1777, William BARBER, son of Michael BARBER of Fetter Lane, was
apprenticed to John WEBB of the Coachmakers Company. Again, there is no link
to my George or his (presumed) sister Mary.

I will continue to pursue the other avenues you suggested in your other
email, for which I am very grateful. However, it doesn't sound like I am
going to get far with the tems.

Thanks again,

Cathy Day
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "fuller.tony" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [HWE] BARBIER Family - Temoignages


> Hi Cathy
>
> The temiognage was like an internal passport between the French Churches
> across Europe and they just imported the system - as they did with birth,
> baptism and marriage records - when they came over.
>
> Early in the Diaspora, when the refugees needed to be seen to be in good
> standing, the tems. would be used between the Churches in England, so you
> get people moving up from Canterbury to - say - Threadneedle Street, or
even
> from the different strands of worship within London. Not necessarily
> between the mother and daughter churches but frequently between the
> conformist/non-conformist churches, though the reasons tended to be move
> practical, house moves, than doctrinal.
>
> Right about COLOMME and St COLOMME, as the families became more
anglicised,
> the French bits of their names were either integrated (de la Main becomes
> Delamain) or the St, de la, du, whatever, gets dropped. Colomme is
> interesting. There is only one reference to him being a pastor and that
is
> in the Threadneedle Street records for 1719. He does not appear in any of
> the 5 lists of pastors printed by the Hug Soc in Proceedings. However,
> there is a Michel Colombe, a native of Caen, who was a pastor between
> 1716/18 at Le Trebblade, Deux Patentes in 1718 and between 1717/24 at La
> Patente Spitalfields. He died in March 1725. Because there is no other
> listing for St Colomme I think that Colombe is the semi-anglicised version
> of his name, that's the only explanation that makes any sense for the one
> entry for 1719. And for some of the entries for his name show him as St
> Colombe. So it's likely that the tem. came from one of his sons or
> grandsons rather that the pastor.
>
> Michel's ability to give a tem does mean that he was in good standing and
> that he was regarded as being a part of the community. Personal tems.
from
> people, usually well known to the Consistory, were not at all unusual. It
> could be that St Colomme knew him or his family and was able to vouch for
> him on a personal basis. It could have also been that, for example,
Michel
> had been living outside London, away from the French/Huguenot churches and
> that's why he had a personal, rather than a church tem.
>
> Hope all this helps
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
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