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From: "Howard Swain" <>
Subject: Re: [HWE] Gaspard DE COLIGNY: dau. by second wife
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:56:16 -0800
References: <20031113142217.27143.h003.c001.wm@mail.leroy.ws.criticalpath.net>


Hi Peter and all,

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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:22 PM

> Gaspard DE COLIGNY, the son of Gaspard DE COLGINY
> marries Charlotte DE LAVAL-MONTFORT and they have a
> tribe of children.
>
snip

> And now folks for the really really biggie.
>
> Gaspard DE COLIGNY is recorded by some as having a
> second wife and no natural children with that union, or
> is there ? (Add information if you have documentation
> that indicates that there was a child of this union)

Yes, there was. One.
Europäische Stammtafeln agrees with Mr. van de Pas' web page.
See vol XIV table 61.
Gaspard and Jacqueline had a dau. Beatrix born 21.XII 1572
at Saint-Andre-de-Briord.
Note that this is 4 months after Gaspard was murdered, so
it is all legit. But she was born after his death.

> And so Gaspard dies, this second wife reportedly
> "Adopts" a child after he, Gaspard, is long dead.

What is the alleged name of this alleged adopted child, please?
Is it the above Beatrix or somebody else?
When did it allegedly occur? Remember, Jackie died in 1599.


> What relation to you is this adopted child as he is,
> technically (ie by blood), not related to Gaspard DE
> COLIGNY at all ?

None, if adopted, it seems to me. How about a step-cousin-in-law,
N times removed? :)
But some people try to claim that kind of thing.
They talk of "collateral" relatives. But these are not ancestors.
Eg. My aunt had traced an alleged ascent to a Magna Charta Baron
that went along ok till it jumped to an in-law that was
not an ancestor.

But first things first. Did this alleged adoption even occur?
Or is it just some bogus invention like the non-existent
illegitimate child of William the Silent invented to be the
ancestor of Anneke Jans?

Regards,
Howard




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