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From: "Dot Hall" <>
Subject: Fw: [HWE] LEMAITRE/DUBOIS
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:10:25 +1000


Hi all

I read with interest the exchange between Laurel and Howard Swain re the
above interests, and I want to ask about the name Claude regarding French
spelling for same. Incidentally, our French interest also happened to be
connected with Picardie also ...

I noticed that the name was both mentioned as Claude - and later also
referred to as Glaude. Is this a typo - or was that the accepted French
translation ??

I would like to get this aspect of spelling/pronunciation clear as my
ancestor Glaude (later called Claude) VUATIEN (later VAUTIN) "floated"
between the two, causing some confusion to later researchers who don't have
any French. We have always considered that somebody made a mistake (which
would perhaps suggest that the surname was misspelled too).

Does anybody have any advice or comments about this matter ??

Dot! in Australia

Regards
Bill & Dot Hall
"Hallbrook" 10 Ellis Street
LAWNTON Qld 4501 Australia
Ph +61 7 3285 2909
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----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Swain <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [HWE] LEMAITRE/DUBOIS


> Hi all,
>
> From: "Laurel" <>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:32 PM
>
>
> > Hello! I have been reading the archives for a while but this is my first
post to the list, I hope I am doing it correctly!
> >
> > I am trying to find out any information on CLAUDE LEMAITRE of Artois,
Richebourg, France (or Lestram, Richbourg, France). From the information I
have he was born c.1613-20. His father was GUILLAUME LEMAITRE (I would much
appreciate any information on him, as well).<
>
> What is probably the latest research on all these families is an article
by
> Douglas Richardson, "New Light on the European Origins of the Delamater
> and Du Bois Families" in New York Genealogical and Biographical Register
> vol. 125 (1993) pp 13-17, 80-87.
>
> (Note: this is not the family of Chretien DuBois of Wicres.)
>
> Richebourg was a city in the province of Artois; so I would write:
> Richebourg, Artois, France (although it was probably the Spanish
Netherlands at
> the time Glaude was there). I don't know what Lestram means.
>
> You can see Richebourg here:
> http://www.library.ucla.edu/yrl/reference/maps/blaeu/artesia.jpg
>
> Note that the 0 deg. longitude is someplace between the western hump of
Africa
> and the eastern hump of South America on this map; so is west of where it
is today.
> Richebourg is at 50 deg, 34 min North and 20 deg 50.5 min East.
> Or, draw a line between Bethune and Armentieres and Richebourg is on the
> line about in the middle.
> It does appear to be in Artois at the time of that map (17th C).
> (Note: the map is, in general, in Dutch)
>
> For other pages of the atlas, start here:
> http://www.library.ucla.edu/yrl/reference/maps/blaeu/nameindex-country.htm
>
>
> I think the Richardson article will answer most of your questions.
> I would encourage you to be careful to differentiate between the date of
marriage
> intentions (or banns) and the date of the marriage and between birth date
and
> baptism date.
>
> snip
>
> > His third wife was HESTER DUBOIS, of which union I eventually descend.
HESTER DUBOIS was born 9 Oct 1625 in Canterbury England to PIERRE DUBOIS
(born Heseaux about 1600. Is that Belgium or France?) <
>
> Herseaux is today in Belgium, east of Tourcoing.
> Of course, there was no "Belgium" in the 17th C.
>
> > >From the controversial book, James Riker Revised History of Harlem, New
Harlem Publishing Company, 1904, p.98-99 "After escaping the country he
comes to notice at Amsterdam in 1652, an exile and a widower, living in the
Tanner's cross-street, having lost his wife, Jeanne De Lannoy." Can anyone
tell me about Tanner's cross-street?<
>
> I have never heard Riker's book described as "controversial".
> I'm curious what the issue is.
>
> I think I have found the "Tanner's cross-street" on a modern map of
Amsterdam
> called Streetwise Amsterdam.
> First you need to know that Tanner in Dutch is Looier. And
> Cross Street is Dwars Straat.
>
> About 1/4 mi west of what I would call the Down Town area is a small
> canal called the Looiers Gracht. There are 3 streets that run
perpendicular
> to it labeled ___ "Looiers DW-str", where the ____ has the Dutch words
> for first, second and third. I assume that DW-str means Dwars Straat or
> cross street.
>
> So, he was probably on one of those; or maybe back then there was only one
> and not three.
>
> snip
>
> > I would very much like to know:
> > 1. what occupation CLAUDE LEMAITRE held before his move to New Amsterdam
(NY)
>
> Richardson has (p. 16) a translation of his Amsterdam marriage intention
to marry
> Hester du BOIS. In it he is described as a "grosgrain worker".
> Richardson notes that grosgrain is a type of silk.
>
> And now I see that it also describes him as living on the
"Looiersdwarsstraat"
> -- just as I had translated and exactly as Riker had said. (It may
interest you
> that one of the Dutch members on the Dutch-Colonies list mentioned to me
> that it appeared (I've forgotten his exact evidence) that Riker had hired
various
> people to do research for him in Europe. It appears in this case that
his
> researcher found the same primary record that Richardson did.)
>
> I also note that it says that Hester was living on the "Pieter
Jacobszstraat".
> I also see this street on the map in the "Down Town" area near Dam Square
> about 1/2 mile from where Glaude was living.
>
> >and what specific circumstances led him out of France.
>
> We'll probably never know other than he was probably persecuted for
> being a Huguenot. History of the Huguenot Emigration to America
> by Charles W. Baird, 1885, actually has a fair amount about various
> persecutions (such as dragonades) that were carried out in France.
> You might check that and see what was going on when Glaude left.
>
> snip
>
> Regards,
> Howard
>
>
>
>
>
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