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From: "Andrea Vogel" <>
Subject: [HWE] Re: Surname Submission: TABOURDEUX
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:49:19 -0800


Hi, everyone --

This is a response to a post on 25 January which was
from Suzie <> and which said --

>Andrea, Please would you add TABOURDEUX (and the
>varients TABOURDIEUX, TABOURDEAUX, TABOUREAUX)
>to the Surname List.

Suzie, sorry to be so late in getting back to you about this.
(I'm usually badly behind with correspondence.) I would be
happy to add your info to our website Surnames List *but*
I cannot do so unless you submit at least some of your info
in the form I requested, ie.
SURNAME(S): date & location > date & location, etc.

I see that you included a lot of info in your post from
the English censuses as well as the UK BMDs. Based on
that info (and estimated birthdates from those censuses),
I could make a *guess* that your surname submission might
look something like this --
TABOURDEUX: c1820-1880s Bethnal Green, London, ENG

As I said, this is just a guess. You'll have to let me know if
it's correct.
I notice that, in all the info you included, there were no variants
such as TABOURDIEUX, TABOURDEAUX, TABOUREAUX.
Should they be included in the sample listing of info I have
above? Or are the dates & locations different? Also, do you
want separate listings for any of the other names you
mentioned (EATON, BRADLEY and HAWKES)?

Lastly, you asked about the 1871 census entry in which
William HAWKES is identified as the unmarried 20 year old
son-in-law of Thomas TABOURDEUX.
It could be that William was Thomas' *step son* (not
son-in-law). I have sometimes seen stepchildren identified
on censuses in this way. This may mean that Thomas'
wife Catherine was either married before (to someone
named HAWKES) or had a child out of wedlock,
possibly by someone other than Thomas (and HAWKES
was her maiden name).
On the other hand, this doesn't explain daughter
Catherine TABOURDEUX who was two years older
than William. Possibly she was a HAWKES too but
was listed, like William, as TABOURDEUX? It
wasn't unusual for stepchildren to be listed with the
surname of the stepfather on censuses.

Anyway, I think it's entirely possible that the 20 year
old William HAWKES in 1871 and the 10 year old
William TABOURDEUX in 1861 are the same person.
One way to find out is to look for their birth records and/or
obtain the birth certificate(s). Do you know if there is a listing
for *both* William HAWKES and William TABOURDEUX in
the UK civil registration birth indexes for years c1850/1?

Also, have you found the marriage record for Thomas &
Catherine and/or had a look at that certificate? This will
tell you Catherine's maiden name. Judging by the age of
the eldest child on the1861 census (Catherine, age 12),
it may have taken place c1847/8. On the other hand, I
note a suspicious eight year gap between William's
estimated DOB (1851) and that of the next youngest
child, Ann (1859). This time period could have been when
Catherine's first husband (if there was one) died and then
she married Thomas.

There is also the possibility that William HAWKES was
incorrectly listed as unmarried and that he actually was the
younger Catherine's husband, as you mentioned. In this
case, there should be a listing for the marriage of Catherine
in the UK marriage indexes sometime prior to 1871.
(And is there a young married Catherine HAWKES
listed somewhere else on this census, probably nearby,
but not with her husband?)

As for the disappearance of this family from the 1881,
1891 and 1901 censuses, that is a mystery. I also find
it strange that the 1881 census online does not come up
with a single TABOURDEUX (or variants).
Is it possible that they changed their surname? Or
emigrated, even if temporarily? Or were living somewhere
not included on the census, eg. in Scotland? (The online
1881 census does not include Scotland. Neither does the
online 1901 UK census -- the one for Scotland is separate,
ie. on another website.)
For the 1881 census, I would suggest going through the
census fiche if you have access to them. Start with Bethnal
Green, which is where you know the family was ten years
earlier. You may find them somewhere there under a
different spelling which begins with T. If not in Bethnal
Green, try other nearby London parishes. (I know...this
means a lot of time-consuming work.....and maybe for
nothing...)

Hope these comments have been helpful, Suzie. And
please let me know about those surname submissions
so I can add the info to the HWE website. Andrea







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