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From: "Pittman" <>
Subject: Re: [AFAR] Bastard Nation
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:05:40 -0500
References: <F1394vvsGOkevWWGxeg000036f0@hotmail.com> <045201c08a27$4577a340$ebee79a5@default>


David--

If A.C.L.U. involvement isn't such a good idea, then how about just plain
ole' discrimination?

Laurie

----- Original Message -----
From: David C. Ansardi <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFAR] Bastard Nation


> Hi Clorinda,
>
> Actually, I'm the Alabama State Director of Bastard Nation and a member of
> their Legislative Committee!! LOL. Bastard Nation is not at all a
negative
> organization. In fact, BN is largely responsible for steering the open
> records campaign towards a positive, upbeat fight for civil and human
rights
> and away from the weepy, search-n-reunion arguments that have failed
> repeatedly. Please check out the Bastard Nation website. It is very
> uplifting and full of VERY useful information for any state campaign.
>
> The name was chosen by the founders because it grabs attention, and as a
> symbol of reclaiming the badge of "bastardy" which is supposed to be so
> shameful. And it definitely HAS grabbed attention.
>
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clorinda Arace" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFAR] Bastard Nation
>
>
> > Dear David: I agree. I am a birth Mom and I fell we must stay
positive.
> > We need to steer away from anything like Bastard Nation.
> > We want respect for our cause and our request for open records is
> > respectable. The connotation of the word bastard is still
unrespectable.
> We
> > do not need to link our cause to that name to get attention.
> >
> >
> > >From: "David C. Ansardi" <>
> > >Reply-To:
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Re: [AFAR] Bastard Nation
> > >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:25:24 -0600
> > >
> > >Hey all,
> > >I strongly agree with Lesley's points. No matter what you personally
feel
> > > >about your adoption, who your parents are, etc. you MUST keep in mind
> > >that >the legislators are pro-adoption for the most part. I would
steer
> > >away from >anything that appears:
> > >1. Anti-adoption.
> > >2. Search related -- needing to find one's "parents" for the reasons
> that
> > > >Lesley stated so well
> > >3. Angry about being adopted -- "It wasn't MY choice." I think that's
a
> > > >very very bad angle. It sounds whiney and bratty, in my opinion --
> like
> > >a >rebellious teenager. Everyone has to deal with choices that their
> > >parents made for them, and adoptees are no different.
> > >I believe the focus should be on positive things:
> > >
> > >1. TRUTH IS GOOD FOR ADOPTION
> > >
> > >2. HONESTY IS GOOD FOR ADOPTION
> > >
> > >3. OPEN RECORDS = OPEN MINDS
> > >
> > >4. ADOPTIVE FAMILIES SUPPORT OPEN RECORDS
> > >
> > >5. MY BIRTH RECORDS...MY RIGHTS
> > >
> > >6. BIRTHMOTHERS SUPPORT OPEN RECORDS
> > >
> > >Just my 2 cents, but I do believe approaching the legislators as strong
> > >adults with the message that you are competent, responsible citizens
who
> > >should have access to your own birth histories on file with the state
is
> a
> > >much better approach than using anything that even smacks of being
angry
> > >about being adopted, etc. Try to direct displeasure towards the sealed
> > >records system and not towards adoption as an institution and
ESPECIALLY
> > >not
> > >towards your adoptive families.
> > >
> > >David
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <>
> > >To: <>
> > >Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 8:09 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AFAR] Bastard Nation
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't like the idea of the No Know of the mom and dad. I KNOW who
my
> > >mom
> > > > and dad are, they are the people who raised me. IMHO, when you take
a
> > >step
> > >in
> > > > this direction this may reaffirm their beliefs that this has more to
> do
> > >with
> > > > search related issues, which for some of us is both, instead of a
> civil
> > > > rights issue. It's not anyone elses place to tell us whether we can
> > >search
> > >or
> > > > not, but to keep the records from us and no one else is a hypocrisy.
I
> > >may
> > > > not be on good terms with my amom, but she's the only mom I've had.
My
> > >bmom
> > > > was not and has never been "mom" to me, she's the woman who gave me
> > >life,
> > >and
> > > > these are definitely two totally different distinctions in my mind.
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents
> > > >
> > > > Lesley
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 1/29/01 8:01:09 AM CST,
> > >writes:
> > > >
> > > > << Ken- I think it's a great idea!!!!! Marilyn
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ken [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 6:43 AM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: [AFAR] Bastard Nation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marilyn Jersild wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why don't we have on the back of the shirts something that looks
> like
> > >a
> > > > > birth cert. Where it has parents name put "falsified" and across
> the
> > >whole
> > > > > thing-have a big stamp that says "illegal Government document".
> > >Marilyn
> > > >
> > > > We have all seen the "No Smoking" signs.... a cigarette with a
circle
> > >and
> > > > line
> > > > through it that means "No Smoking"......
> > > >
> > > > Well.......
> > > >
> > > > Why not just have a outline of a male or female with the word Mom
or
> > >Dad
> > > > on the figure and a circle with a line through it and the words "No
> > >Know".
> > > >
> > > > Ken McDowell >>
> > > >
> > > >
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