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From: "Jenni Kay" <>
Subject: Re: [GREECE] Greek birth certificates
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:58:38 +0930
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Hi Therese,

Thank you for all your help and advice. I see what you mean about trying to
look someone up in the phone book using variations of the name I have. It
doesn't work very well. I will have to wait for a copy of his Naturalization
papers from NSW to arrive which, hopefully, will have his full and proper
Greek name.

I did try to gather all the records on him from Births, Deaths and
Marriages, but could only find his death regaistration whic named his
birthplace as Athens. On his daughter's birth certificate, it only had
Greece. I haven't requested any of the other children's birth records, they
ahd a few, but did notice one seemed to have two surnames : William Karkole
KARKOE. Karkoe is the family name on everyone else's record, so this one
might be worth ordering. As far as finding a marriage certificate, I've had
no luck. Can't find it in the records.

Yes, this is frustrating sometimes, but it's a lot of fun.
Thanks again,

Jenni

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Galanakis" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [GREECE] Greek birth certificates


> Hello Jenny,
>
> I haven't a phone book that covers Athens, only the Pelopponesse. However
I
> had a look for you and the name combinations are endless. Firstly there is
> no Karkoe listed, (Greek names do not end in oe) many Karkos, Kakos,
> Karkoglou, Kakouros, Karkalis etc, etc, etc. Try the on-line Greek phone
> directory at www.grecian.net which covers all of Greece, using different
> name variations and see what comes up.
>
> Don't get too carried away with the birth place as Athens as there are
very
> few native Athenians, a vast majority of the population of Athens has
always
> come from rural areas. Also the information on a death cert. is only as
> good as the memory of the informant, so you will have to track down a
> marriage cert. and the childrens birth certs as well, these will probably
> have been registered by your ancestor himself and not a third party.
>
> Frustrating isn't it? But thats half the fun of it all.
>
> Good luck
> Therese.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jenni Kay" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [GREECE] Greek birth certificates
>
>
> > Hi Therese,
> >
> > Thanks for the clue that Karkoe may be a shortened version of his real
> name.
> > I am waiting for a copy of his Naturalisation papers, and hopefully this
> > will tell me more.
> >
> > From the BDM registry, I have his death certificate, which states he was
> > born in Athens, and his father's name was John. It also lists the names
of
> > his children, but five of these had died by the time my ancestor (his
> > daughter) had died. So I don't know what their names were. His marriage
> > record isn't listed, or I just can't find it at the NSW BDM.
> >
> > I have made contact with another person researching the same family. She
> has
> > some longer versions of this name, and will send them to me. She said
she
> > would really like to find and make contact with any living relatives in
> > Athens. That sounds good to me too. Would you mind please checking your
> > telephone book to see if there are any Karkoe listed there?
> >
> > Thanks for all of your help,
> > Jenni
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Galanakis" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [GREECE] Greek birth certificates
> >
> >
> > > Hi Jenny,
> > >
> > > Karkoe has almost certainly been anglisised or even shortened from a
> > longer
> > > name. Kakos is a possibility or Kakogianni or any number of
combinations
> > > really.
> > > Before you apply for a birth certificate in Greece you will have to
have
> > > more details or they simply won't help you, ie. the correct surname,
> > fathers
> > > & mothers names etc.
> > >
> > > Do you have all the childrens names of Nicholas Karkoe? They are
always
> a
> > > big clue when trying to find parents names of Greek ancestors as first
> > born
> > > sons are usually named after the paternal grandfather, firstborn
> daughters
> > > after the paternal grandmother. Second born daughters & sons are named
> > after
> > > the maternal grandparents etc. Do you have Nicholas's marriage &
death
> > > certificates? Or the birth certificates of his children? Australian
BD&M
> > > certificates are very detailed and may have more information for you.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > > Therese
> > > Greece.
> > >
>
> >
>
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