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From: "Mary Hayden" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Norman E3b1a2?
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 05:40:09 -0500
In-Reply-To: <f3f05ce80704020318rd23b899jd76f324c267908a1@mail.gmail.com>


Dieneke

May I just interject a comment about early e3b whatever haplotypes in
early England. What if these men were "civil servants" to the army -
not soldiers. Some people served the military as craftsmen and were not
necessarily soldiers. Therefore, they would not have necessarily been
redeployed as you say. My ancestors were probably scouts, road
builders, and blacksmiths. They built and repared machinery. They were
also talented in assembling small work crews to complete a certain task.
They combined these skills with farming and would not have been so
dependent on the next payment from the Roman or other military.

My line is decidedly British. This has always been the lore and facts
tend to bare that out. Migrations do not seem as simple as people are
trying to make them. We must be more creative with our ideas of how we
E3b's came to early England.

Thanks, Mary

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Subject: Re: [DNA] Norman E3b1a2?

On 4/1/07, Steven Bird <> wrote:
> Dienekes, what is the basis for these statements? There are dozens of
> attestations of Thracian, Dacian, Dalmatian and Pannonian units in
Britain
> for nearly three centuries. See:
>

Yes, some Roman soldiers would have stayed in Britain past their
military obligation and raised families there, but many of them were
rotated elsewhere or left Britain after leaving the Army. Roman units
were principally occupation forces, not permanent immigrants.
Therefore their numbers are not the relevant parameter, but rather the
fraction of them that left offspring in Britain. Moreover, Roman
Britain had a larger population size than Late Neolithic Britain,
thus whatever Roman elements were introduced there would have been
further diluted.

> Yet, there is massive epigraphic
> evidence of Balkan units in the Roman army in Britain. Which is more
> likely?
>

E-V13 is found clear across the European continent in regions that
were historically part of the Roman Empire and regions that were not,
e.g., it is found at ~3% in Danes, 2.5% in Poles, 3.7% in Northern
Russians. I don't see why a clearly pan-European spread of haplogroup
E-V13 is explained only in Britain mostly as a Roman phenomenon. The
Romans could doubtlessly have introduced _some_ E-V13 into Britain but
I doubt that they were mainly responsible for its arrival there.

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Dienekes' Anthropology Blog
http://dienekes.blogspot.com

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