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From: John Rhodes <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] mtDNA of H in Native American
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:29:58 -0400 (EDT)
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A couple comments by a rank amateur here. You note your relative's mtDNA is not "typically Cherokee". You then speak of possible Native American man 'taking on' a European squaw sometime in the last 500 years.

If it was a CHEROKEE man that coupling would have most likely occurred in the very late 1700's or 1800's in the environs of the Great Smoky Mountains of NC, TN, GA or, thereafter along the March of Tears to OK.

If "Cherokee" is not the issue but "Native American" is, then such a coupling could possibly have occurred in Massachusetts area as early as 1620 or in VA/NC near the coast somewhat before that (Jamestown, lost colony, etc.) King Philip's war in Massachusetts ca. 1675 saw a number of European captives, among them the ggggg-aunt of my cousin!, carried off by Native American captors. Then, working northward, the French/Metis people go back to the 1600's. To some degree these folks turned up across the entire continent in the 1600's and 1700's. Then, of course, the Spanish settled in New Mexico in the 1500's and marched northward as far as Kansas ca. 1541.

While I celebrate Leif Ericksson's Day on March 17th, I doubt he and his little band of Vikings spread too much DNA around northern Labrador.

So, good luck with your quest. You've alot of ground and eras to cover!

John Rhodes

wrote:
I think I just REALLY ticked off a potential distant relative of mine by
telling her that her mitochondrial DNA is not typically Cherokee.
She is quite certain her distant maternal ancestor is full blooded
Native American. Her HVR1 and HVR2 match mine exactly and this
is likely to be H2a2 (formerly called H2b) at a branch in the Phylogenetic
Tree at Mitomap just above the CRS in Haplogroup H. So now I need to
come up an explanation that will satisfy her.

Is there any chance that Native Americans would have gotten
the H haplogroup any other way than through
a European admixture within the last 500 years?
I suppose there were Vikings that came to North America
before Christopher Columbus and there were some H haplogroups
that moved into Eastern China then perhaps to North America
from Alaska. This last possibility seems remote, but then again,
I am not an expert in this kind of human population genetics,
so I need your help in determining the probabilities.

I would put my bets on a Native American male taking on a
European squaw some time in the last 500 years.

I just found another person who did his full Mega mtDNA test and
he matches me exactly. I am UWJPQ at Mitosearch. We have
enough distinct mutations that another match should be in the
same haplogroup and would presumably have the same haplotype.

Kathy J.



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