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From: "George Haynes" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] new results in Y Haplogroup J
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:04:51 -0400
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Cyndi,


> I'm not good at this stuff, George. I've learned a lot on this list over
> several years now, but things aren't "sticking" well now. First, I can
> probably dig up the URL for the paper (tho I'm not sure I'll understand
it), but
> maybe you could send along a quick reference? Second, Bonnie mentioned
DYS 445;
> is DYS 413 another I should have tested?

The DiGiacomo paper that I mentioned is in the FTDNA library.
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/HaploJ.pdf
Semino's paper on E and J is also worth reading
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/AJHG_2004_v74_p1023-1034.pdf as are the
relevant parts of Cinnioglu's research
http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/HG_2004_v114_p127-148.pdf Ellen's
paper on Jewish DNA has a very well written easy to understand section on Hg
J. http://www.jogg.info/coffman.pdf DYS413 is a very important marker in
breaking down Hg J and is currently offered only by Thomas Krahn's company.
Bonnie can help you with her discounted group ordering . You could also
consider (again at DNAFingerprint) DYS461 and DYS462 as those do have some
significant variability in HgJ.

<<Ethnoancestry is currently doing my subhaplogroup J SNP testing and I
> expect that I will be negative for the known SNPs. I'll let you know when
the
> results arrive. While I'm mentioning Ethnoancestry it should be noted
(att Dr.
> David Faux) my Y chromosome would be an excellent candidate to do some
SNP
> hunting. DiGiacomo mentions the STR bimodality "should prompt the search
for
> additional UEP variation within this sub-haplogroup to improve its
> phylogeographic informativeness." And I'm sure Bonnie would be elated
if Dr. Wilson
> could find "S22" to correspond to her STR based J2x subgroup.>>
>
> I read that EA developed/found the S22 but hadn't really paid close
> attention because it didn't apply to me--then!

The recently developed S21 applies to R1b. My comment about "S22" was just a
hint/suggestion to David to carefully look at my J2x Ychromosome for a new
SNP. Hopefully he will see the post. Bonnie suggested testing for DYS445
because a result of 6 would also put Dan in her J2x subclade. I tested
this one through Sorenson and eventually when/if the results are posted I am
positive that my allele will be 6 as the closest 20 matches to my haplotype
in the database are all the robust J2x value of 6.


Cyndi, I've been watching your Haynes surname project and have been hoping
> we would pick up some people from NGP, but I guess we have had no luck so
> far.>>>
>
> No, not yet. I thought so too with a name as common as Haynes! We
should
> probably talk off-list, but wonder if you'd like to be a 3rd
co-administrator
> with us on the project?

I saw the R1b match. I'm still bummed that John Haines of Warwickshire did
not match with me, as it took me a long time to find another Haynes in my
line. Our paper trail appeared to come together circa 1750. Anyway the
project currently seems pretty small for three administrators, though I
don't mind helping.


George Haynes

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