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From: "Lowe DNA" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] J2 HG in Scotland, Q, Etc.====> QSEARCH
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:06:15 -0500
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David...

I have been reviewing the NRY Q's STR values in the literature and
on YSEARCH.....

With these "search" marker values, I can find most of the men listed as
Q and Q3 on YSEARCH...

394-13, 391-10, 388-12, 426-12, 437-14, 438-11, 455-11, YCCAIIAa - 19

As yet have not found the distinct markers values to differentiate
between Q and Q3.

Nor the marker values to separate American Q's (Chippewa) from the
Asian Q's that moved west thru Uzbekistan into the Nordic countries
and/or British Isles.

Bill

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Subject: Re: [DNA] J2 HG in Scotland, Q, Etc.


Jim:
The best place to find typical Eastern European and typical British
Haplogroup Q is Ysearch. There are consistent differences between the two.
There are a few Q in Cinnioglu for Turkey, and the first 7 or so haplotypes
in Helgason's paper on Iceland are Q erroneously classified as R1b. Any
other information is in the private databases that I have pertaining to
tribal groups from Mongolia to Armenia. Here the haplotype diversity is so
high that the only thing that is consistent is the inconsistency. The
simple reason is that Q emerged in the Altai and has been there the longest
so the degreee of variation is highest. This stands in sharp contrast to
Eastern Europe (consistent) and Britain (largely consistent).
I agree in general with what you say below, but believe that we will find a
SNP for R1a that will distinguish Asian and European varieties, and it will
be highly correlated with values at key markers such as YCAII.
David.

--
Dr. David K. Faux
P.O. Box 192
Seal Beach, CA 90630


www.davidkfaux.org


-------------- Original message --------------

> David,
>
> Where can I find a list of "typical" Q haplotypes? As for mistaking G for
> I, or for one of its subclades, I believe that occurred during a study on
Y
> signatures in Northern Ireland, where about 20 percent of the signatures
> among men with local "Gaelic" surnames were attributed to G. The authors
of
> the study later recanted, claiming that they had mistaken I - specifically
> I1c - as G. According to the data from the Rootsi paper, I1c seems largely
> Northern Germanic. I don't believe the identification of G in Western
> Asia - where I1c is unlikely to appear - have been similarly discredited.
>
> I am convinced that the existence of the DYS393=12 (or ht35) variant of
R1b
> among Anatolians and other peoples from Southwestern Asia has been
> well-established, and its presence here - adjacent to Europe - is at least
> as feasible as the presence of a haplogroup like Q, which is more commonly
> found among the reindeer-herding nomads of Siberia.
>
> I do agree with you that the genetic composition of the Scythians,
> Sarmatians, Tocharians and other Central Asian peoples was bound to have
> been extremely mixed, due to their propensity to migrate from one place to
> another and to absorb (at least by conquest) any weaker group they
> encounter - as well as to their location at the interface between Europe
and
> Asia.
>
> Even if we are able to conduct wholesale SNP-testing on vast numbers of
> Central Asians, we would not be able to erase the effect of the Mongol
> invasions, or of further northward migrations of Middle Eastern groups
into
> the Central Asian heartland, since the Roman times or before.
>
> Jim Elliott
>



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