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From: ellen Levy <>
Subject: J2 HG in Scotland
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:10:47 -0700 (PDT)


Hi List:

Sorry, there is a real delay in my responses because I
am still on yahoo and have to constantly go back and
read the archives for my messages.

Vet, all I have available in Semino's paper is the
French Basque results rather than results for various
populations within France. That would clearly be more
helpful.

Doug, your question is an interesting one! I do think
haplotype diversity within a single haplogroup is an
important factor - sorry, I know you don't want to
hear that.

I think examining the migration paper of the
haplogroup is extremely important. For instance, R1a1
is found in very high proportions in Russia and
certain populations of the Altai. What is it's spread
out from these regions? Does it slowly taper off as
you move away from the area you believe the haplogroup
(or sub-clad) originated?

Also, I'd like to see archaeological and historical
evidence tied into the arguments more often (sorry,
this may be a reflection of my own archeaology degree,
so I'm biased. But the traditional methods of proving
population movements was through archaeological
methods and this approach, coupled with DNA evidence,
can be quite convincing).

I think your question raises many interesting issues.
We know that J2 originated in Anatolia/Iraq, but what
about the sub-clades. Just look at one of J2's
sub-clades: J2-67* for instance. It's highest
frequency is in Georgia and then parts of Italy.
However, it is much lower in Iraqi & Lebanese samples.
It's not even particularly high in neighboring
Turkey. So where did this originate? Why is it so
high in Georgia and in north-central Italy?

Ellen Coffman

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