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Subject: Re: [DNA] J2 HG in Scotland, Q, Etc.
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:04:34 +0000

Jim:
The best place to find typical Eastern European and typical British Haplogroup Q is Ysearch. There are consistent differences between the two. There are a few Q in Cinnioglu for Turkey, and the first 7 or so haplotypes in Helgason's paper on Iceland are Q erroneously classified as R1b. Any other information is in the private databases that I have pertaining to tribal groups from Mongolia to Armenia. Here the haplotype diversity is so high that the only thing that is consistent is the inconsistency. The simple reason is that Q emerged in the Altai and has been there the longest so the degreee of variation is highest. This stands in sharp contrast to Eastern Europe (consistent) and Britain (largely consistent).
I agree in general with what you say below, but believe that we will find a SNP for R1a that will distinguish Asian and European varieties, and it will be highly correlated with values at key markers such as YCAII.
David.

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> David,
>
> Where can I find a list of "typical" Q haplotypes? As for mistaking G for
> I, or for one of its subclades, I believe that occurred during a study on Y
> signatures in Northern Ireland, where about 20 percent of the signatures
> among men with local "Gaelic" surnames were attributed to G. The authors of
> the study later recanted, claiming that they had mistaken I - specifically
> I1c - as G. According to the data from the Rootsi paper, I1c seems largely
> Northern Germanic. I don't believe the identification of G in Western
> Asia - where I1c is unlikely to appear - have been similarly discredited.
>
> I am convinced that the existence of the DYS393=12 (or ht35) variant of R1b
> among Anatolians and other peoples from Southwestern Asia has been
> well-established, and its presence here - adjacent to Europe - is at least
> as feasible as the presence of a haplogroup like Q, which is more commonly
> found among the reindeer-herding nomads of Siberia.
>
> I do agree with you that the genetic composition of the Scythians,
> Sarmatians, Tocharians and other Central Asian peoples was bound to have
> been extremely mixed, due to their propensity to migrate from one place to
> another and to absorb (at least by conquest) any weaker group they
> encounter - as well as to their location at the interface between Europe and
> Asia.
>
> Even if we are able to conduct wholesale SNP-testing on vast numbers of
> Central Asians, we would not be able to erase the effect of the Mongol
> invasions, or of further northward migrations of Middle Eastern groups into
> the Central Asian heartland, since the Roman times or before.
>
> Jim Elliott
>

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