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From: "Terry Barton" <>
Subject: RE: [DNA] haplogroups defintions and "Helpful Tools"
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:46:09 -0400
In-Reply-To: <20040611133813.1086.qmail@web50710.mail.yahoo.com>


Doug, I have been trying to keep up with the useful references mentioned on
the list, and am gradually building a page, "Helpful Tools" at World
Families Network, where the ones I appreciate are listed.
http://worldfamilies.net/helpful_tools.htm I thought I was making pretty
good progress in sifting through the possibilities and in keeping up, but
your comments here leave me wondering.

I'd appreciate your thoughts (either privately or on list) about whether all
of the links that I have included for "Haplogroups" should be there or if
some are duplicates, out of date, "wrong", or ... if there are others which
should be added. I am also concerned about how slowly the U of Arizona page
and Jobling's paper load. As there are always some differences of opinion,
I'd prefer to err on the side of too many instead of too few.

At the risk of being totally confused or overwhelmed, I share this same
request with the other folks on our list with particular insight.

And, with the intention of making the Helpful Tools page more useful to this
list, I ask all readers to share those pages or websites which are
particularly helpful to you.

Terry Barton
http://worldfamilies.net/


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug McDonald [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:38 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [DNA] haplogroups defintions

I recommend the use of

http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenclature_system/fig1.pdf

for those tough conversion chores.

There are things, however, that this chart can't do.
Most of us who are in European groups won't find
these,
but if you are from SE asia, Australia, or Oceania,
you may. If so, I may have the answer.

The only answer I still am unsure about is whether
"K" in Melanesia means K*, K1, or N*. I have managed
to eliminate all other choices except N2 with SNPs and
STRs, and N2 on the basis of extreme geographic
isolation.

The latest version of my Y chromosome chart at
scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald has these discoveries in it.
This chart now completely supercedes the chart in
Jobling's article "THE HUMAN Y CHROMOSOME:
AN EVOLUTIONARY MARKER COMES OF AGE" [the journal's
all caps], which has underclassified pies.

Doug McDonald

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