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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Re: [GEN-ROYAL] de Burgh connection
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:14:56 +1000
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This is wonderful. It also means that this book, written with a grant, had
it wrong :-)
Elizabeth, Lady Mountjoy was a great-great aunt, not an ancestor. Still,
Luke Gardiner and his siblings have interesting ancestors. Can you tell me
the source for these?

Theodosia Isabella had a beautiful portrait painted when she was in Italy
and Edward David Stewart Ogilvie was painted by Australian painter Tom
Roberts, a very special portrait. Both should be on my website at the end of
this month.

With many thanks, VERY much appreciated.
Leo

----- Original Message -----
From: "M Davis" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [GEN-ROYAL] de Burgh connection


>I believe I found your connection :
>
> 1. Theodosia Isabella de Burgh (17 April 1838
> Kingstown, co. Dublin - 23 March 1886 Torquay, Devon;
> bur. Torquay); m. 2 September 1858 Donnybrook, co.
> Dublin, Edward David Stewart Ogilvie (24 July 1817
> London - 26 January 1896 Bowral, New South Wales; bur.
> Yulgillbar), son of Capt. Ogilvie, R.N., and his wife
> Mary.
>
> 2. Rev. William de Burgh, D.D. (8 April 1801 Oldtown,
> co. Kildare - 15 October 1866 Ardboe, co. Tyrone; bur.
> Mount Jerome Cemetery, Harold's Cross, Dublin);
> m. 30 May 1826 St. George's, Dublin (first wife)
> 3. Anne Copinger (1804 - 24 June 1850 Bloomville,
> Roebuck, co. Dublin; bur. Monkstown, co. Dublin)
>
> 4. Thomas de Burgh, of Oldtown, M.P.
> 5. Florinda Gardiner (b. 12 January 1760) [sister of
> Luke Gardiner, 1st Viscount Mountjoy]
>
> 6. Rev. John Copinger
> 7. Jane Laetitia Monck-Mason
>
> 8. Rt. Hon. Charles Gardiner, M.P., P.C.
> 9. Florinda Norman
>
> 14. Henry Monck-Mason
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> -Melissa Davis
>
> --- Leo van de Pas <> wrote:
>
>> I am trying to link an Australian family to an Irish
>> one.
>>
>> In an Australian book I found the following
>> description about Edward David Stewart Ogilvie and
>> his first wife, Theodosia Isabella de Burgh: "That
>> she had beauty should have surprised no one. Her
>> great-grandmother, Elizabeth, Lady Mountjoy, had
>> been one of the three models chosen by Sir Joshua
>> Reynolds for his painting of 'The Three Graces
>> Decorating the Altar of Hymen'. The two other graces
>> were her sisters, the HonorableMrs. Barbara
>> Beresford and the Marchioness of Townshend.
>>
>> Elizabeth Montgomerie born 4 May 1751, died 7
>> November 1783 in Dublin. Married Luke Gardiner, 1st
>> Baron & 1st Viscount Mountjoy on 3 July 1773 in
>> Dublin. They had eight children, but it appears only
>> two married and had children. Their son became Earl
>> of Blessington and had one son and one daughter and
>> here is no link to be found to the de Burgh family.
>> The other child, the Hon. Louisa Gardiner, married
>> Robert Fowler, Bishop of Ossory, son of Robert
>> Fowler, Archbishop of Dublin, and for them I can
>> only find two sons.
>>
>> Theodosia Isabella de Burgh was born in 1838 and her
>> father was the Rev. William de Burgh, a doctor of
>> divinity of Trinity College in Dublin. It appears
>> Rev. William de Burgh married twice and had many
>> children, Theodosia Isabella being one of the
>> youngest. This should mean (not certain) that her
>> mother was the second wife and should be a
>> granddaughter of Luke Gardiner, Viscount Mountjoy
>> and Elizabeth Montgomerie. As this second wife is
>> unlikely to be a Gardiner, she could/should be a
>> Fowler.
>>
>> The children of Lord and Lady Mountjoy have very
>> interesting ancestors, like Sir John Hawkwood, Ralph
>> Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland, King Edward I,
>> Llywelyn the Great of Wales, and so on.
>>
>> Can anyone help?
>> With many thanks.
>> Leo van de Pas
>> Canberra, Australia
>>
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