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From: "Sutliff" <>
Subject: Re: de Stuteville descendancy
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 07:45:06 GMT
References: <3B8EFAC2.7D5FA2F2@arches.uga.edu>, <e4eddab24a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk>


Tim,

A correction to my previous post, I realize now that it was not you who
presented the name Gunnora de Gournay rather than Gunnora d'Aubigny. I had
not realized you had edited the original query. Apologies!

Hap


"Tim Powys-Lybbe" <> wrote in message
news:...
> In message <>
> (wprokasy) wrote:
>
> > I would like to know if the following descendancy from Robert I de
> > Stuteville to Joan de Stuteville is correct. A particular question of
> > interest is whether or not Nicholas I is the son of Robert III. I have
> > seen a source (Ancestry of Elizabeth of York) having, as the parents of
> > Nicholas I, William de Stuteville and Berta de Glanville, and this
> > appears to be at variance with Sanders' 'Baronies.'
> >
> > Descendants of Robert I de STUTEVILLE
> >
> > 1 Robert I de STUTEVILLE d: Abt. 1106
> > 2 Robert II de STUTEVILLE
> > 3 Robert III de STUTEVILLE d: Abt. 1183
> > 4 Nicholas I de STUTEVILLE b: Abt. 1146 d: Abt. 1217
> > +Gunnora de GOURNAY b: Abt. 1150
> > 5 Nicholas II de STUTEVILLE d: 1233
> > +Devorguille of GALLOWAY b: Abt. 1180 d: 1242
> > 6 Joan de STUTEVILLE b: Abt. 1210 d: Bef. April 6, 1276
> > +Hugh WAKE b: Abt. 1202 d: Bef. December 18, 1241
> > *2nd Husband of Joan de STUTEVILLE:
> > +Hugh Bigod d: Bef. February 5, 1243/44
>
> There are some others of this or similar names that may or may not be
> related:
>
> 1. Nicola de Stuteville who m. William de Percy (c.1193-Jul 1245), sone
> of Henry de Percy and Isabel de Brus. She I have found only in
> the article on William Percy in the British Dictionary of National
> Biography.
>
> 2. Margaret de Stoteville (dsp. bef 13 Nov 1235) who me William de
> Mastac, dau of Nicholas de Stoteville and Devorgille of Galloway. She
> is in CP, Wake article, Vol XII/2, p. 299, note (b).
>
> 3. Burga de Stuteville (d. aft 1185), who m. William de Vescy (d. Sep
> 1183) and was dau. of Robert de Stuteville (d. 1186) and Helewise. She
> is in CP, Vescy article, Vol XII/2 p. 275.
>
> 4. Then there is a family in the British Dictionary of national
> Biography in the two articles on (a) Robert de Stuteville, d. 1186, and
> (b) William de Skipwith aka Stuteville, d. after 1392. This gives this
> line:
>
> Robert Grundebeof, who supported Robert of Normandy at Tenchebrai in
> 1106
> |
> Robert de Stuteville, a northern baron who commanded the English at the
> battle of the Standard in Aug 1138
> |
> Robert de Suteville, d. 1186, baron & justiciar, Sheriff of Yorks
> 1170-1175.
> He m. (1) Helewise and had:
> |
> 2 daughters and
> a son William who married Berta and they had two sons
> |
> Robert who died 1205
> and
> Nicholas, d. 1219 who had:
> |
> Nicholas dspm. 1236
>
> Robert de Stuteville who d. 1186 m.(2) Sibilla, sister of Philip de
> Valoines and had:
> |
> Eustace
>
> Robert de Stuteville who d. 1186 also had a younger son:
> |
> Osmond who took the name Skipwith and had
> |
> William de Skipwith who m. Margaret, dau of Ralph FitzSimon and had
> |
> Sir William de Skipwith who d. after 1392, a judge.
>
> Some of these DNB entries resemble Bill Prokasy's information.
>
> Finally there is:
>
> 5. John de Stuteville of Long Lawford, Warwickshire who had a unnamed
> daughter who married Maldred FitzDolphin, son of Dolphin FitzUchtred and
> Alice of Durham. I apologise for this John as I have no adequate
> reference to him, and suspect he may be part of the ever-growing Neville
> mythology.
>
> Any information on whether and how these various members of the
> nomenclature link together would be most welcome.
>
> --
> Tim Powys-Lybbe
> For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org
>
>


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