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From: "Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr." <>
Subject: Re: oldest trees
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:28:23 -0700
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[Existing examples suggest that Ogham
was used primarily on grave and boundary
markers. Indeed, most inscriptions read
"so and so, son of so and so, son of so
and so" and so on. Evidence exists,
however, supporting its' use by Druids
for recording tales, histories, poetry,
genealogies, and the like.]
http://www.lemurian-imports.com/kelle/ogham.htm

[The University of Cork has an excellent
collection of them.] Since the very form of
[the inscriptions contain little more than
personal names on boundary marking
megaliths], the "diagrammatic
representations of genealogies"
is produced, in an ancient format.
http://members.aol.com/plieadesqu/ogham.htm

[Similar markings, dating to 500 BC, have
been found on standing stones in Spain
and Portugal. It is from this area of the
Iberian Peninsula that the Celts who
colonized Ireland may have come.]

The poem, Ora Maritima, written in the
fourth century A.D. by the Roman Avienus,
incorporated information from the sixth
century B.C. sailing manual called the
Massiliot Periplus. Sea journeys were
made by Tartessan and Carthaginian
merchant venturers from southern Iberia,
northwards to Brittany, Albion [Britain]
and Ireland in order to trade with the
natives. The Massiliot Periplus mentions
islands in the west -- Oestrymnis --
lying close to Britain, whence natives
sailed in skin boats carrying cargoes
of tin and lead. This is discussed in
A People of the Sea, The Maritime
History of the Channel Islands,
Edited by A. G. Jamieson,
first published in 1986.

Celtic Ireland is noted in the Atlas of Irish
History, published 1997, under MacMillan
USA, Map, page 15. Ptolemy, an
Alexandrian Greek geographer writing after
A.D. 100, locates the Tribe of Auteini
[alternative name: Uaithne], at the
intersection of 53 degrees latitude with
9 degrees longitude, in what is now County
Clare. Compare with Ogham [Tinne
(CHIN-yuh), holly - The holly (Ilex
aquifolium L.) is a shrub growing to 35
feet in open woodlands and along
clearings in forests.]

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/
"Free Coverage of the Genealogy World in a Nutshell"
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] -
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"Rafal T. Prinke" wrote:

> "Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr." wrote:
>
> > Intrinsically, Ogham "trees".
> > http://members.aol.com/irishdremr/oghamintro.html
>
> > > Does anyone know what are the earliest diagrammatic representations
> > > of genealogies?
>
> Well, thank you - but where there any genealogical
> diagrams in ogham script?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rafal

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