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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <>
Subject: Re: After Richard III - Then what????
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:17:08 +0100
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In message <>
wrote:

> << Presumably Joan, 'the fair maid of Kent' (1328-1385) wife of the Black
> Prince - but she was not queen for a day, nor executed. It was she who
> dropped her garter at the ball in Calais (c1349). Edward III went to his
> knees with the words "honi soit qui mal y pense."
>
> Adrian
> >>
>
> No, Adrian, I had Joan mixed up with Jane (Lady Grey). However, it was
> Catherine (Grandison) Montague that dropped her garter at the ball...
>
> 2 It was this countess of Salisbury who, while dancing with King Edward, lost
> her garter, which gave rise to the founding of the order of the garter, (and
> not Joan Plantaganet, the Fair Maid of Kent, as was stated in the " Montagues
> at Hadley.") See History of the Orders of British Knighthood by Sir N.
> Nicholas. Rambles about Eton and Harrow, by Alfred Rimmer, London, 1882, et
> al.
>

Interestingly in the more recent "The Order of the Garter" by Grace
Holmes, pub Windsor 1984, she includes on page 4 a paragraph referrring
to an article ("Joan of Kent and the Order of the Garter" by Margaret
Galway, Univ of Birmigham Historical Journal 1, 1947-8) and concludes
with:

"It must be said that the Garter, as depicted from the earliest years,
would not have been worn by ladies, and is indeed more suitable for
use as part of a knight's accountrement."

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe
For a patchwork of bygones: http://powys.org


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