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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Edward I Patent (1288) for Sale on Ebay
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:12:00 -0000
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The jpg, which Renia sent me is named:

Edward3.

Curious.
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"Chris Phillips" <> wrote in message
news:00c501c08c54$cafb9240$...
| Renia Simmonds wrote:
| > Very unusual. Edward I was never King of Scotland or Ireland, though
not
| for want
| > of trying.
| ....
| > A little later, in 24 Ed I, in the Ragman Rolls, Edward is styled
"King of
| England,
| > Lord of Ireland, and Duke of Aquitaine." The highest he could ever
have
| styled
| > himself was "Lord of Scotland", but only after 1291.
|
| I've been looking at the scan on the ebay page. Although it's not
quite
| large enough to be clearly legible, I feel fairly sure that the
translation
| given isn't accurate. In fact, the style looks pretty much like what
you
| quote from the Ragman Rolls. I think I can persuade myself it begins
| "Edwardus dei gr'a Rex Angl' D'n's Hib' Dux Aquit' "" But it isn't
very
| distinct, and maybe that's wishful thinking...
|
| As far as theft from the Public Record Office goes, I presume that
letters
| patent were normally just retained by whoever they were written for
(in this
| case the Count of Richmond's attorneys), so I suppose there's nothing
| improper here. But I'd guess it is exceptional for something like this
to
| survive in private hands for seven centuries, and even rarer for it to
find
| its
| way on to the market.
|
| Chris Phillips
|
|




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