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From: Stewart Baldwin< >
Subject: Re: Flanders counts
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:54:01 GMT

On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:40:21 -0600, "Todd A. Farmerie"
<> wrote:

> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> After 25 years of research and with the help of other genealogists, I was able
>> through my flemish anscestors of the Waasland to find the connection of my family with the counts
>> of Flanders (Hainout). Therefore I like to have contact with people interesting
>> in the following families:
>> Eustache II van Vlaanderen of Van Henegouwen (de Flandre or de Hainout..) "Le Valet" + july 1186 married approx. 1175
>> to Bertha van Gavere (de Gavre) sister of my other anscestor Raas III van Gavere married
>> to Machteld van Liedekercke.
>> Further the names of Roeulx (van Ath).
>> The problem is that the names are often spelled in different ways. The oldest spelling however
>> is the Flemish one. Van Vlaanderen (de Flandre,of Flanders, von Flandern) or van Henegouwen
>> (de Hainout, von Hennegau)
>> I hope to hear from you! You can write me in Dutch,English,German or Russian.
>
>It is difficult to harmonize your information with the documented
>history of the Counts of Flanders and Hainaut. In 1186 the Count of
>Flanders was Philip (who had been count from 1168 and died in 1191),
>while the Count of Hainaut was Baldwin V (Count from 1171, and who
>succeeded his distant cousin/brother-in-law Philip in 1191, becoming
>Baldwin VIII of FLanders). Neither the Counts of Flanders nor those of
>Hainaut used the name Eustace.
>
>taf

Based on the data given in the original posting, I suspect that the
family in question was that of the lords of Roeulx, a cadet branch of
the counts of Flanders and Hainaut (descended from Arnulf, a younger
son of count Baldwin II of Hainaut), in which the name Eustace was
common. According to brief notes I once took when I had easy access
to this source, Monumenta Germaniae Historica (Scriptores) volumes 21
and 25 has information on this family. Also, ES would be worth a try
(but I don't have access to that either).

Stewart Baldwin

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