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From: Adrian Channing <>
Subject: Sir James Tyrrell
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 07:51:02 -0400


I guess my reply would be more to the point if I had remembered to show how
this John Arundel fits into JSG's message

Richard Fitzalan (c1313-1376) Earl of Arundel (Note that this is one of
those strange titles, I think it goes with the holder of Arundel Castle)
]
John Fitzalan (-1397 at sea), 2nd s; Bn Maltravers (aka John Arundel) m
Eleanor daughter (or possibly grand-daughter) and co-heir of John Ld
Maltravers.
]
John (1365-91) m Elizabeth d of Hugh le Despencer
]
Thomas (-1414 overseas); Sir; 3rd s; Of Betchworth, nr Dorking m Joan
(possibly Joan Moyne)
]
Eleanor d&h (one ref states she was co-heir); m1 c1431 Thomas Browne
(1414-1460 Ex) (supposedly of Eyghthorne, Kent, but I think he probably
originated from county Yorks); She m2 Thomas Vaughan of Tretower.
]
Anthony Browne (-1506 Calais); Sir; younger son; m1 (my theory Eleanor d
of Robert Ughtred; Bands read Jan 1487/8); m2 Lucy (-will1531, bur 1534)
d&ch of John Nevil Mq of Montague and wdw of Sir Thomas FitzWilliam of
Aldwark, nr Rotherham
]
Anthony Browne (1500-1548 Byfleet); s&h by m2; PC and standard bearer to Hy
VIII etc etc
]
Viscounts Montagues



>
> Sir Anthony Browne descended from John Fitzalan (aka John Arundel) baron
> Maltravers, son of Richard (c1313-1376) Earl Arundel. I don't think
there
> is any known connection to the Arundel family of Cornwall. I think this
> has been discussed before.
>
> regards Adrian.
>
> © Adrian (Surrey, UK)
>
> JSG wrote,
>
> >
> > Sir James Tyrrell (d. 1502) is remembered as the supposed murderer of
> > the little princes in the Tower (although you'd never get a conviction
> > based on the surviving evidence). According to the DNB, he was married
> > to "Anne, daughter of Sir John Arundel of Cornwall."
> >
> > Would anyone know Sir John Arundel's ancestry? Faris II (p. 50) has a
> > Sir John de Arundel (b. Nov. 30, 1364, d. Aug. 14 1390). According to
> > Faris, he had three sons by his wife Elizabeth le Despenser, the third
> > of whom, Thomas, is ancestral to Sir Anthony Browne, well-known
courtier
> > to Henry VIII, and ultimately to John Nelson, merchant of Boston,
> > Massachusetts. One of this Sir John's other sons would have been the
> > right age to be the father of Sir James Tyrrell's wife, but where
> > Cornwall would enter into this picture I know not.
> -
>
>
© Adrian (Surrey, UK)

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