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From: James Dempster< >
Subject: Re: STEWART OF LORN
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:12:17 GMT

On 31 Dec 1999 10:31:15 -0800, wrote:

>Margaret STEWART of Laithers, daughter of Patrick of the same, married James
>GORDON 1st Ld of Lesmoir. She was daughter of Patrick and he son of Robert S
>of Laithers.
>Robert is said to be 5th son of Robert, 1st Lord Lorn and brother of 2nd and
>third Lords Lorn. Does anyone know whether this can be substantiated by other
>than the Balbithan ms of the House of Gordon?
>PG
>
Substantiated maybe not, but possible, yes. In 1478, Walter Stewart,
Lord Innermeath (brother of 2nd Lord Lorn who changed from being 3rd
Lord Lorn to 1st Lord Innermeath) exchanged his lands of Fortra,
Ordmiddill, Muresk & Kinhermit (now Fortrie, Ardmiddle, Muiresk and
Kinnermit) for the 1/6th portion of the Lordship of Innermeath held by
John Dempster of Auchterless. These lands were all in the Lordship of
Laithers which was held of the Earl of Ross as part of his barony of
Kinedward (now King Edward).[1] The holding of these lands was changed
to one directly from the king on the resignation of John, Lord of the
Isles in 1481 when John Dempster was also granted the lordship of
Laithers. [2]

There was considerable dispute over these lands - in 1480 Robert
Stewart of Laithers (and others) were ordered to pay the mails of the
lands having refused so to do for two years. [3] Later in the 1480s,
Elizabeth, Countess of Ross also went to court concerning the lifting
of the mails and profits of these lands by Thomas, Lord Innermeath and
John Dempster of Auchterless [4]. Here the dispute was over what was
due to her and the status of the lands as part of the barony of King
Edward.

Some of the lands were granted to Patrick Stewart in 1506 [5 & below],
and there seems every likelihood that he was the son of the Robert of
the 1470s, and that it is perfectly possible (in fact probable) that
Robert was a close relative of the Lords Lorn and Innermeath.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but I'm working off accidental
notices of the family based on my researches into the Dempsters of
Auchterless.

The grant to Patrick [5] as per the Spalding Club printing reads

"Apud Edinburghe iv Decembris jm vc vi Rex concessit Patricio Stewart
et heredibus suis binas partes terrarum dominicalium de Latheris
terrarum de Rotloche et molendinis de Latheris et Drachlaw necnon
binam partem terrarum de Rothybrisbane infra vicecomitatum de Abirdene
quas Thomas dominus Invermerche resignavit."


The sources mentioned below, and the various publications of the
Spalding Club, New Spalding Club and 3rd Spalding Club of Aberdeen
would probably be helpful, especially

Illustrations of the Topography and Antiquities of the Shires of
Aberdeen and Banff - Spalding Club, Aberdeen, 1849

Records of the Sheriff Court of Aberdeenshire - ed D Littlejohn, New
Spalding Club, Aberdeen, 1907. (This contains heir services, but is a
sample, not a complete transcript).

[1, 2 & 5] Registrum Magni Sigilli Regum Scotorum - ed JM Thomson,
Edinburgh, 1882-1914
[3 & 4] Acts of the Lords of Council in Civil Causes - ed T Thomson et
al, Edinburgh 1839 & 1918-

James


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